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Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does ITAR present an impediment even if it’s manufactured and sold in the US?

It only is an impediment if it is made in the US. There are high frame rate sensors sold openly abroad.

Not made, but exported from the US. Nevertheless US manufacturer(s) are not willing to sell restricted versions of these miniature sensors.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

#63
post #44

What does it do with 128GB ROM?? /s Seriously though, does ROM no longer stand for read-only memory?

It didn't ever since EPROMs existed.

More seriously, the use of "ROM" to mean "nonvolatile storage in general" probably took off when the Android community began calling their firmware "ROMs".

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

#64
The lack of a replacable battery is infuriating because it's planned obselescence of a FLIR device. I got one of the first CAT s60 phones when they came out and tolerated all the android spyware on it because I really liked having a properly ruggedized phone. Got about 4 years out of it.

The flir camera I would say I used most often at night for finding my dogs poop to pick up on neighbours lawns in the dark, but I used it on boats to find moisture, motorcycle engine seals to find gasket problems, found contractor fraud where they didn't bother putting insulation behind drywall, and places around windows for caulking to reduce heat loss, heat on horses legs that indicated inflammation, lack of current on wires in my basement. Mostly novelty, but handy.

The battery became too flaky to use as a regular phone, so I keep it in my toolbox and use it as a stud finder behind drywall and used to find where animals were getting into the attic of the house. Next test is for rim leaks on car tires. It has been a small time saver, and a fun conversation piece. But yeah, military thermal imaging to find dog poop at night was most common use case.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

#65
This would almost be better off being marketed as a thermal camera with a cellular connection. This would have been handy during my commissioning days, removing the tedious steps of getting the files from the camera to a computer to the cloud or sending someone a live view.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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post #3

No mention about thermal camera resolution, even in the "Full Tech Specs". Although it does mention it's using FLIR Lepton 3.5 sensor. Seems to be 9 fps at 160x120. [0] [0]: https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/f/flir/lepton-3...

9 fps is because if the framerate is any higher it would be subject to ITAR export controls, that's going to be a limit you find on any similar cameras

Buy several and place them behind a cold rotating disc, with a hole in it, so each is exposed for 1/ seconds?

Although I see I can save quite a bit of effort by buying a 25Hz HIKMICRO thermal camera on US Amazon.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IR cameras tend to be very low-res (or very expensive). Looks like they have some kind of computational photography pipeline processing, to enhance the IR image. You can get FLIR modules for most smartphones (Android and iOS). Not sure I'd buy a phone, just for the camera.

I wonder if it's possible to take multiple low-res cameras and combine their output in an array...mainly because I have a source for affordable but very low-res (32x24) thermal cameras.

You could make a sensor array by placing the raw sensors close together, all on the same image plan of a single lens. This results in gaps between that would have to be dealt with.

Or, you could make a camera array, with multiple lenses, like: https://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/array

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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post #4

This phone has been out since Spring 2022. Any reason for the post? If we want to talk about the utility of a thermal camera, I found it neat. I used a $150 Seek camera to diagnose poor insulation in my bedroom, and one contractor even offered free advice over email since the images were clear enough. I've also used it to find hot ICs on a PCB. The resolution of these lower cost modules isn't great, which you can see…

https://xkcd.com/1053/

I'm one of today's lucky 10,000 to find out about IR cameras for smartphones.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

#70
I really need to get a thermal camera. So many uses. Finding insulation issues, studs in walls, the list is endless. Remember when people were hacking the Flir models to have the specs of the higher end ones?

https://hackaday.com/2013/11/04/manufacturer-crippled-flir-e...

You can find hacked ones on ebay too.

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