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Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Fan boys aside.

I use another app called learn Japanese !! (Plus the easy Japanese news which is not related). That seems to be similar superficially. I did pay for that to get the additional feature. (and forget how I pay it. Does not seem to be subscription based.)

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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> nerds like Japanese so it's no surprise that Japanese has the best arrangement of apps and websites. It might not be a surprise... but is it true? Pleco (for Chinese) seems to reach a standard well above what's available for Japanese, despite the twin facts that (a) Chinese has much less cultural currency in the English-speaking world than Japanese does; and (b) Pleco is not at all a complex app.† It's a dictionary…

You make a good point. Pleco is leagues better than anything available in the Japanese domain. I wonder why that is the case - why nobody has stepped up to make an equivalent Japanese app? It might be related to the Japanese publishers not wanting to sell their data. EPWING is an established format and there are plenty of epwing viewers on Android already so I'd guess advanced users will do that instead. My point was…

Not to mention the huge amount of subtitled media available online.

Where are some of the best places to find it?

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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> nerds like Japanese so it's no surprise that Japanese has the best arrangement of apps and websites. It might not be a surprise... but is it true? Pleco (for Chinese) seems to reach a standard well above what's available for Japanese, despite the twin facts that (a) Chinese has much less cultural currency in the English-speaking world than Japanese does; and (b) Pleco is not at all a complex app.† It's a dictionary…

I haven't used Pleco that much, so I wonder what you're referring to. Is that: 1. The dictionary app (excluding the dictionary). 2. The built-in (free) dictionaries (PLC and CC-CEDICT). 3. The paid add-on dictionaries. 4. The add-on marketplace. I think if you want to be fair, you shouldn't compare Pleco to apps based on EDict/JMDict, but rather to apps that can read EPWING dictionaries. From what I can see and judge…

Been thinking about adding EPWING dictionary support to Nihongo for a long time, maybe it’s time to make that happen. It seems to be the only way to get good J-J definitions in particular.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Spotted some typo (Nihnogo), so you might want to double check your spelling. I'm not sure if it is a personal thing, but I would like to have an idea of your pricing before trying your app, and it was not clear from the web page. This one might be subjective, but I've lived in Japan a couple of years and it is quite rare to hear somebody saying 見ましょう in the context of your example. I get the point is to teach the gr…

If you're thinking about going to the theater watch a movie, yeah, 見ましょう is weird, but if it's Netflix or whatever, much less... I'm more weirded out by the 博ちゃん. Hiroshi would have to be very little to be chan-suffixed, or some other very specific circumstance.

chan-suffixed isn't really age limited - I have friends (both genders) in their sixties where everybody use a -chan form for their names. It's more about familiarity. Think e.g. "おばちゃん“。

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Spotted some typo (Nihnogo), so you might want to double check your spelling. I'm not sure if it is a personal thing, but I would like to have an idea of your pricing before trying your app, and it was not clear from the web page. This one might be subjective, but I've lived in Japan a couple of years and it is quite rare to hear somebody saying 見ましょう in the context of your example. I get the point is to teach the gr…

Oh thanks! I swear I must've read that typo 100 times and never noticed it. Good point about the pricing and 見ましょう examples, I'll consider changing it to something else.

Chris, I'll second the pricing feedback. It sounded interesting, so I went to the App Store. FREE. Yay! But with in-app purchases. Oh. Okay, I guess that's how they all do it these days. Could mean you don't really need to pay for most features. Or you can't realistically use it without paying $2. Or maybe $200. Or maybe $10/month forever. Who knows? The App Store policy is to hide all but the initial price, so developers' policy is to make that zero and hide the actual cost in "in-app".

But, the website will explain what you get for how much, right? The website explanation is that you potentially get lots of great features, and if you want to know which features cost how much, go to the App Store and "buy" it for "free" and see what happens.

So, I figured maybe I would read some reviews. Later. Too busy now. If it was impulse purchase price, I would have just bought it, but I can't tell, so I'll put it on my mental "check it out someday" list. For now, I just shrugged and moved on, but since you're participating in the discussion here, and I'm a small dev too, I figured I'd just give you some feedback from the "usability lab", FWIW.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're thinking about going to the theater watch a movie, yeah, 見ましょう is weird, but if it's Netflix or whatever, much less... I'm more weirded out by the 博ちゃん. Hiroshi would have to be very little to be chan-suffixed, or some other very specific circumstance.

chan-suffixed isn't really age limited - I have friends (both genders) in their sixties where everybody use a -chan form for their names. It's more about familiarity. Think e.g. "おばちゃん“。

Thus "specific circumstances". But that's quite rare to hear for adult males, and only from a limited set of people in that person's entourage.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh thanks! I swear I must've read that typo 100 times and never noticed it. Good point about the pricing and 見ましょう examples, I'll consider changing it to something else.

Chris, I'll second the pricing feedback. It sounded interesting, so I went to the App Store. FREE. Yay! But with in-app purchases. Oh. Okay, I guess that's how they all do it these days. Could mean you don't really need to pay for most features. Or you can't realistically use it without paying $2. Or maybe $200. Or maybe $10/month forever. Who knows? The App Store policy is to hide all but the initial price, so devel…

This is great feedback, thanks. I’ll definitely be putting pricing information on the website.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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I think a lot of people don't get past the "learn all the characters first" barrier. What would really be useful to them (and me) is an app focused on how people really talk, that teaches actually commonly used phrases as well as grammar and vocabulary. Apps focused on reading often produce people who can read but can't have a conversation. This is one of the main criticisms of the way English is taught in Japan by t…

> I think a lot of people don't get past the "learn all the characters first" barrier. PSA: That's not an actual barrier. It's a borderline useless thing that some significant subset of self-learners seem to do, for reasons I cannot explain. There is no such thing as "learning the characters". You need to learn words and sentences. You can certainly categorize the learning by character (this is how it's done in Japan…

In his books, Heisig recommends learning all the joyo kanji before anything else. It's what his books are for, so it isn't a surprise, but perhaps that's where the idea that it's useful to do so came from.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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The Japanese learning space feels so crowded. Most are marketed towards beginners, which makes sense when you see statistics (most folks give up). The top tier tools I recommend anyone are Wanikani and Bunpro. Beyond that, reading! I tried a site dedicated to it, but realized that I'm too much of a picky reader to do anything but read things I find interesting. So I read japanese and english books side by side now. I…

I used to live in Japan so I have a pretty good conversation level but still struggle with reading.

I tried many apps but it never really "sticked", especially as you said most are geared towards beginner and it's often a hassle until the app can figure out your actual level.

So I ended up biting the bullet and taking online group lessons. It is much more expensive, but also way better! I finally got back on track and now I feel like I'm progressing.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

chan-suffixed isn't really age limited - I have friends (both genders) in their sixties where everybody use a -chan form for their names. It's more about familiarity. Think e.g. "おばちゃん“。

Thus "specific circumstances". But that's quite rare to hear for adult males, and only from a limited set of people in that person's entourage.

There's no way I can pull up statistics, I only have my own experience to rely on. I know a couple of men in their sixties who only go by -chan, except in formal situations. And one woman who hates her given name so much that she only goes by a different -chan name, strangers and friends alike. As for "おばちゃん" about middle-aged women you happens to know, from what I see it's quite common to address nearby and not-so-nearby neighbours that way, though it may depend on where in the country you are, as is the case for so many practices elsewhere. As for -chan in general, with my wife's rather large network of friends and others which I have observed over the years, it starts out with -san but over time it always migrate to -chan, as their friendships grow closer, at nearly 100% for women and quite a few of the men too. And completely age independent. It's true that using -chan at the start is definitely a young person thing, but as described above it's not limited to that - it's just that if you don't know someone you only use it with children, or at least someone quite a bit younger than you. But there's no age limitation per se in it.
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