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Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by lostmsu »

sbarre wrote: post #47
gryf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

For what it's worth, I work in a large 30,000 employee company. Everyone gets a Windows machine by default. 6 years ago our department of 200 people "went rogue" and started provisioning Macs, because it was the only way we could hire developers and provide a good developer experience for the work we were doing. This took some convincing, but it was possible. We agreed to be unsupported by the in-house help desk, but…

Are your developers forced to use laptops?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by scarface74 »

lostmsu wrote: post #61
sbarre wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, I work in a large 30,000 employee company. Everyone gets a Windows machine by default. 6 years ago our department of 200 people "went rogue" and started provisioning Macs, because it was the only way we could hire developers and provide a good developer experience for the work we were doing. This took some convincing, but it was possible. We agreed to be unsupported by the in-house help desk, but…

Are your developers forced to use laptops?

Do you propose they carry desktops back and forth from their office and to conference rooms?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

#63

Post by vetinari »

gryf wrote: post #30
jacobwg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, this is starting to shift with M1 MacBooks, Graviton is looking more attractive for precisely that architecture parity reason for teams using majority M1 devices.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

FYI, with WSL2 1.0, you can finally enable systemd, so you can run services and cron jobs.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

#64

Post by gryf »

vetinari wrote: post #63
gryf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

FYI, with WSL2 1.0, you can finally enable systemd, so you can run services and cron jobs.

Thanks for the tip off. I will look into this tomorrow. This is why I'm here. The distributed consciousness of HN is a wonderful problem solving engine :)

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by gryf »

lostmsu wrote: post #61
sbarre wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, I work in a large 30,000 employee company. Everyone gets a Windows machine by default. 6 years ago our department of 200 people "went rogue" and started provisioning Macs, because it was the only way we could hire developers and provide a good developer experience for the work we were doing. This took some convincing, but it was possible. We agreed to be unsupported by the in-house help desk, but…

Are your developers forced to use laptops?

Unfortunately yes. I would rather a desktop but they don't know how to pay half as much for the same specification. The desks in the office are all equipped with docks and expensive WiFi mesh driven by COVID mentality so that is the status quo.

Just send me a fucking workstation. Nope too hard.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by [deleted] »

ecliptik wrote: post #38

I'm interested in hearing more about their switching to Graviton with Clickhouse. We've been testing Clickhouse on Graviton and the performance isn't there due to a variety of reasons, most notably it seems because Clickhouse for arm64 is cross-complied and JIT isn't enabled like it is for amd64[1]. 1. https://fosstodon.org/@manish/109397948927679076

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Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by _joel »

arecurrence wrote: post #40
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #2

Cloud cost optimisation is underrated. In the companies I've worked in nobody has really given a shit (at least not under normal economic circumstances). In the industry there's a strong avoidance of ARM compute instances for no good reason. If I were building from scratch today I would definitely go with Graviton.

Completely agree... the only exception I've run into is that for small operations build tooling often doesn't work well with arm64. EG: GitHub actions can build a container in a few minutes in x64 or 35 minutes in arm64... likewise aws-cdk literally could not run an arm64 fargate ecs deployment for months after support was added (They simply did not support the required attribute in the container definition). I would…

Are you building on arm64 natively or via qemu. A few mins vs 35 for the same roughish spec of CPU, seems a bit off, even with optimisation considerations.

I've found arm64 builds on amd64 take longer when using one build context/arch (but doing multiple platforms), but that's as it's being emulated.

It's the oppostite on my M1, the buildx amd64 takes longer.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by Agingcoder »

I'm not sure I understand the point of this article : in theory they don't depend on x86 only code, so they've switched to arm and it worked, as expected, and things are cheaper.

I'm happy that they've shrunk their bill, but I somehow expected some kind of 'unfortunately, things went wrong because of bizarre memory model issues causing difficult concurrency bugs'.

What am I missing?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by jiggawatts »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #2

Cloud cost optimisation is underrated. In the companies I've worked in nobody has really given a shit (at least not under normal economic circumstances). In the industry there's a strong avoidance of ARM compute instances for no good reason. If I were building from scratch today I would definitely go with Graviton.

At $dayjob I found an unused box in the cloud running an expensive database engine. It was idle for months, created to be used by a consultant on a project that had wound up. The consultant had quit his consultancy on top of this.

I was told under no uncertain terms not to even think of touching this VM because “the budget has been approved”.

I was shocked at the flagrant waste of money and assumed it was a one-off aberration.

Nope, for months afterwards I kept hearing the same refrain from manager after manager, from product owners and dev team leads.

“Don’t touch! We fought hard for this budget! You’ll take it from our cold dead hands!”

Eventually I soured on the whole idea of cloud cost optimisation a service for unmotivated third parties and gave up on the whole notion.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

#70

Post by dserodio »

gryf wrote: post #30
jacobwg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, this is starting to shift with M1 MacBooks, Graviton is looking more attractive for precisely that architecture parity reason for teams using majority M1 devices.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

Never user Docker for Windows, but Docker for Mac has not been great lately either.

Granted, macOS changes a lot between each release but our company is paying for Docker Desktop licenses and the experience has really been disappointing.

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