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Sorry, but characterizing Freedom to Roam as allowing people “camping in my backyard” is indeed FUD. Words like “my backyard” have a reasonable definition, and you can’t just redefine them at will (i.e. redefine “my backyard” to mean “my whole property”) to make the statement technically true.
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They may not be citing specific law, but instead generally describing the spirit of a broad set of such laws.
then essentially it's unenforceable, so no I don't want that in the states. fair to me means "not one inch across my property line"
The kicker in the article that "nobody is going to grant access out of the goodness of their heart," is absolutely untrue. There are fox hunts and hikes in my area where landowners grant access for this reason. What has done the most harm is insurance and the risk of liability and litigation from people injuring themselves on your land, and that has made landowners become very aggressive about trespassers, as it just…
Being held liable for setting booby traps for thieves, sure, completely understandable. But ... injury while walking ... especially on land that wasn't prepared as a path/road? WTF
Is this some kind of black comedy bingo contest?
> attitudes against something as obvious as littering just aren't universal either. > Instagram has become an utter cancer that way
Yeah, no questions about those. Some people are just unimaginably selfish and inconsiderate egokings/queens.
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Prison--no... we do too much of that in this country already. He should be defeated though.
Nah. Rich people who use hired goons and courts to harass people should be in prison.
The potential principle here is that our current version of prison is too inhumane to be a thoughtless, automatic goto.
this is very common in the west. Its one of several ways to "own" more property than you paid for. If your property completely encloses 1000 acres of public land, that land is as good as yours (with the exception of building things, but many of the property owners in these cases are taking people hunting on the land, so no permanant structures would be built anyway.) Another common thing is land leases. I don't know…
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Sorry, but characterizing Freedom to Roam as allowing people “camping in my backyard” is indeed FUD. Words like “my backyard” have a reasonable definition, and you can’t just redefine them at will (i.e. redefine “my backyard” to mean “my whole property”) to make the statement technically true.
The dictionary definition is "the area close to where one lives, regarded with proprietorial concern"
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> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.
how is "a fair distance" specified?
Camping for example, using Sweden as an example, is limited based on if a person is living nearby, what the land is used for, risk of damage to the environment (land and animals included), sanitation, and government issued exceptions and restriction. In practice most people choose to pay for a camping place in order to be allowed to camp. Place near roads are generally used for farming or grazing (neither allow camping under freedom to roam), nature reserves tend to be generally restricted by the government, and naturally people need a place to park their car for a extended time which is not a right given under freedom to roam.
What that leaves most people is the freedom to camp (in small groups) in the forest when hiking or mountaineering.
It'd be interesting to know what tech stack OnX is using to achieve their outcomes. Looks pretty slick!
You might also be interested in Regrid, https://regrid.com/ They started as a Detroit-only grassroots effort called "Why don't we own this?", tracking property auctions and helping locals buy adjacent parcels when they came available. But quickly they realized this data was powerful once it was easy to access. Which was no mean feat -- every locality has their own terrible way to store parcel data, it seems, and it's…
What kind of use cases are there for using this data in bulk?
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Freedom to Roam laws only allow passing through, not littering. Do you foresee people who would litter illegally, but would not trespass illegally?
I can foresee that encouraging the roaming brings along some amount of littering among the inconsiderate.
Obviously this lower the accessibility for disabled people so its not a perfect solution, but if government want to make it accessible then they can also pay for solving the littering problem.