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KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by School-Cotton »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57
School-Cotton wrote: post #45

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There are a number of reasons. 1. I prefer Mac hardware to any PC hardware (I don't know any manufacturers who come close to apple in hardware quality, so I don't think the "comparable PC" you cite even exists in reality). 2. I prefer to use Linux, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm more likely to be able to debug it when things go wrong (macOS Just Works more reliably, but when it doesn't, I'm stuck), and also I w…

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

That laptop is not “high-end”. i7 processor, standard (not 4K) screen resolution, Intel graphics.

I also have a thinkpad, and it gives me no end of issues, presumably largely due to the Nvidia GPU. There are also some weird non-GPU-related quirks; for example, charging over USB-C sporadically stops working (requiring an unplug and re-plug of the cable), especially when the battery is low.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by dagmx »

coutego wrote: post #43
tambourine_man wrote: post #31

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Macs, for me, are the software. This is something that became pretty evident during the Intel era. And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Funny to read such an opposite opinion. I don’t mind the pretty casing, but it’s icing on the cake.

I'm quite sure it's just a question of what you are used to. It is for me, anyway. My first PC (~year 2000) came with Windows but I wanted to use some software that only existed for Unix at the time and I was used to work in Unix anyway, so I heard about Linux and installed it. Great, I got an OS I was used to and the software I needed for my project. When finally I had to use Windows for work a couple of years later…

You can swap cmd and ctrl in the keyboard prefs to give you more Windows/Linux like key commands.

Personally I think CMD is more ergonomic but muscle memory trumps all I suppose

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by kitsunesoba »

psychoslave wrote: post #56
tambourine_man wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs, for me, are the software. This is something that became pretty evident during the Intel era. And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Funny to read such an opposite opinion. I don’t mind the pretty casing, but it’s icing on the cake.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

> Why is there no straight forward way to browse the actual file path in Finder, when a shortcut allows to copy it?

In Finder, selecting View > Show Path Bar will place a persistent path bar on each window. Additionally command clicking the proxy icon that appears when hovering over finder titlebars will open a path menu (and also works in any application with a proxy icon in its titlebar).

To go to a path, select Go > Go to Folder… or tap Command-Shift-G. This can be rebound to a more convenient shortcut in System (Preferences|Settings) > Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts.

Command-Option-C will copy the path of the currently selected item to the clipboard.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by ultrarunner »

jbverschoor wrote: post #30
ultrarunner wrote: post #12

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Another question for those in the know: there are what seem to be tons of weird GPU problems on macOS under M1— weird cursor tails, choppy scrolling, and very occasional panics that derive from GPU drivers. Are there any workarounds for unstable GPU behavior that were discovered during the RE & driver implementation? Edit: I've directly observed these on my machine, and it doesn't look to be an isolated incident. The…

Are you sure you're not using any displaylink cable/drivers? I had a choppy mouse at a certain point, but that was only with a bluetooth mouse. Bluetooth runs at a slower rate in any case, but I think it might have had to do with some interference.

I'm aware of bluetooth issues, it's a similar experience. However, this is using the built-in trackpad and built-in display, and occurs seemingly randomly. The bluetooth issue made it initially very difficult to find any discussion of the M1 issue.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by Kuinox »

nextos wrote: post #36
recuter wrote: post #24

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I get 12+ hours of battery life on my M1 Air, no longer bother with cables and outlets at coffee shops. What else I could buy of similar weight/size/battery/quality? Even if knew of an alternative, there are other unexpected perks to going with Apple: travel constantly, occasionally selling my old one and switching to a new machine is easy whereas with other brands would be impossible. Amortized cost is less than $1/…

This also happened when Macs transitioned to Intel and Core 2 Duo laptops were released. At the same price point, PCs were much noiser and had much poorer battery range. ARM laptops from other brands are starting to pop up but they will take at least a year to catch up in terms of performance. Right now, ThinkPad X13s runs Linux very decently, but it's less powerful than the M1. In the US market it might be cheaper t…

There was ARM laptops before M1, nobody wanted them. M1 was ahead because it was 1 silicon node ahead for a year. The competition already caught back:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by brailsafe »

dagmx wrote: post #62
coutego wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite sure it's just a question of what you are used to. It is for me, anyway. My first PC (~year 2000) came with Windows but I wanted to use some software that only existed for Unix at the time and I was used to work in Unix anyway, so I heard about Linux and installed it. Great, I got an OS I was used to and the software I needed for my project. When finally I had to use Windows for work a couple of years later…

You can swap cmd and ctrl in the keyboard prefs to give you more Windows/Linux like key commands. Personally I think CMD is more ergonomic but muscle memory trumps all I suppose

I use an MS sculpt keyboard and use Karabiner to swap the keys.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by nextos »

Kuinox wrote: post #65
nextos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also happened when Macs transitioned to Intel and Core 2 Duo laptops were released. At the same price point, PCs were much noiser and had much poorer battery range. ARM laptops from other brands are starting to pop up but they will take at least a year to catch up in terms of performance. Right now, ThinkPad X13s runs Linux very decently, but it's less powerful than the M1. In the US market it might be cheaper t…

There was ARM laptops before M1, nobody wanted them. M1 was ahead because it was 1 silicon node ahead for a year. The competition already caught back: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html

Yes, but not in terms of heat and battery. What fanless laptop do you suggest with similar specs to a MacBook Air M1?

The best think I have found that runs Linux reasonably well (still with lots of caveats) is the X13s. And I cannot get a decent price.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by nextos »

atchoo wrote: post #59
nextos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also happened when Macs transitioned to Intel and Core 2 Duo laptops were released. At the same price point, PCs were much noiser and had much poorer battery range. ARM laptops from other brands are starting to pop up but they will take at least a year to catch up in terms of performance. Right now, ThinkPad X13s runs Linux very decently, but it's less powerful than the M1. In the US market it might be cheaper t…

Interesting product. 230g lighter with 10 hours longer battery life than an M1 Air. > In Europe it's 50% more expensive It's basically the same price in the UK. £84 more than an equivalent M1 Air on the Lenovo site right now.

That's a good price. In mainland EU, right now, the X13s is €1490 in lenovo.com. A MacBook Air M1 is €1200, and I can get almost 10% off using academic discount.

Plus, the Snapdragon CPU in the X13s is still far from the M1 in regular benchmarks. Linux support is better in the X13s, except for the camera. It's an IR one, and this might never be well supported.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by dagmx »

brailsafe wrote: post #66
dagmx wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can swap cmd and ctrl in the keyboard prefs to give you more Windows/Linux like key commands. Personally I think CMD is more ergonomic but muscle memory trumps all I suppose

I use an MS sculpt keyboard and use Karabiner to swap the keys.

You can swap them in the system preferences without needing extra software. At least for the modifier keys
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