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Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

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kaba0 wrote: post #60
smoldesu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already have advertising, at least in MacOS. Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music, and I can't hide iCloud or Safari's constant nagging to get me to use them. Everyone has their own limits, but I left the ecosystem after Mojave (with this being one reason).

I don’t know, is that really advertisement? These seems more akin to a program’s popup of its new features or that you can also go pro. Sure, nitpickingly these are ads, but they are related to the context, not intrusive, and not coming from a third party. If anything, it is more analogous to my friend telling me about that vacuum cleaner he bought that he finds a great buy when I bring up the topic of vacuum cleaner…

If “Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music” is true, don’t see how you could call that “not intrusive”.

If I got an advertisement for a new iPhone every time I woke up my current one, IMO ‘intrusive’ would be too kind a word to use, too.

I also think “related to the context” is debatable. Headphones aren’t only used to listen to music.

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

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Post by reustle »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #13
denkmoon wrote: post #9

Please no. There is no refuge from the ads. Not for all the money in the world, apparently. This is the worst timeline. Can I pay 2x to get an ad-free iPhone? 3x? Surely there is some point where it makes sense to sell an ad free phone for those who _need_ to not see ads. They won't even take my money ;_;

The only way out is buying devices on which you can flash and use OS/software that was built without profit as a goal (e.g., free software). Anything short of that and you're just sitting under the Sword of Damocles of value extraction, ripe to be used and abused (within personal tolerance or otherwise).

It sounds similar to movie streaming vs piracy.

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

#63

Post by kaba0 »

Someone wrote: post #61
kaba0 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know, is that really advertisement? These seems more akin to a program’s popup of its new features or that you can also go pro. Sure, nitpickingly these are ads, but they are related to the context, not intrusive, and not coming from a third party. If anything, it is more analogous to my friend telling me about that vacuum cleaner he bought that he finds a great buy when I bring up the topic of vacuum cleaner…

If “Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music” is true, don’t see how you could call that “not intrusive”. If I got an advertisement for a new iPhone every time I woke up my current one, IMO ‘intrusive’ would be too kind a word to use, too. I also think “related to the context” is debatable. Headphones aren’t only used to listen to music.

> If “Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music” is true, don’t see how you could call that “not intrusive”.

It is not true, simple as that

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

#64

Post by smoldesu »

kaba0 wrote: post #63
Someone wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If “Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music” is true, don’t see how you could call that “not intrusive”. If I got an advertisement for a new iPhone every time I woke up my current one, IMO ‘intrusive’ would be too kind a word to use, too. I also think “related to the context” is debatable. Headphones aren’t only used to listen to music.

> If “Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music” is true, don’t see how you could call that “not intrusive”. It is not true, simple as that

It's been default for a few years now: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250789620

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

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Post by [deleted] »

kaba0 wrote: post #60
smoldesu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already have advertising, at least in MacOS. Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music, and I can't hide iCloud or Safari's constant nagging to get me to use them. Everyone has their own limits, but I left the ecosystem after Mojave (with this being one reason).

I don’t know, is that really advertisement? These seems more akin to a program’s popup of its new features or that you can also go pro. Sure, nitpickingly these are ads, but they are related to the context, not intrusive, and not coming from a third party. If anything, it is more analogous to my friend telling me about that vacuum cleaner he bought that he finds a great buy when I bring up the topic of vacuum cleaner…

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Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

#66

Post by kaba0 »

smoldesu wrote: post #64
kaba0 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If “Every time I put on my headphones I get a pop-up ad for Apple Music” is true, don’t see how you could call that “not intrusive”. It is not true, simple as that

It's been default for a few years now: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250789620

That’s a mac, and while I agree it is one of those pesky, annoying ones, it is likely more of an oversight/not enough people care thingy to count it as a bug.

I use a mac and an iphone without apple music and never seen anything like that.

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

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Post by calciphus »

denkmoon wrote: post #53
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way out is buying devices on which you can flash and use OS/software that was built without profit as a goal (e.g., free software). Anything short of that and you're just sitting under the Sword of Damocles of value extraction, ripe to be used and abused (within personal tolerance or otherwise).

I know you are right, but I've tried doing the de-googled Android thing (when I was an Android user even). It sucks, hard. Android is a pretty bad UX platform to begin with, and trying to make it work with free software is just... awful. I can't contribute because I only have so many hours in a day. I'd rather pay. I'd pay a boatload for an operating system that replaces Android with something that has a good user ex…

I pay for a lifetime license on adguard, on Android. It is vanishing rare to see ads and the audit logs show how often and which apps are having their telemetry and other trackers blocked. It blocks a lot of Google stuff.

That's the reason I stay with android. The Apple version of the app (which has to come through the app store) is not allowed to block anything for Apple apps or services. This they exempt themselves from user control.

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

#68

Post by noizejoy »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #51
noizejoy wrote: post #40

Lovely free advertising for Proton. Very smart blog post, since numerous employees and fans of Apple competitors, as well as anyone who dislikes Apple for whatever reason, has plenty motivation to upvote this post. Also: Calling someone an ad company when approximately 1% of revenue seems to be generated by ads would seem quite a stretch. Also: Being tracked while on someone’s property isn’t exactly the same as track…

> Also: Being tracked while on someone’s property isn’t exactly the same as tracking someone across unrelated properties. Do you consider Apple-made devices property of their buyers or do they forever remain property of Apple?

> Do you consider Apple-made devices property of their buyers or do they forever remain property of Apple?

The original post talked about advertising on cloud properties, not devices. And that was the context of my post.

So I’m puzzled why you’d be moving the conversation to the topic of devices.

Re: Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims

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Post by noizejoy »

politelemon wrote: post #43
noizejoy wrote: post #40

Lovely free advertising for Proton. Very smart blog post, since numerous employees and fans of Apple competitors, as well as anyone who dislikes Apple for whatever reason, has plenty motivation to upvote this post. Also: Calling someone an ad company when approximately 1% of revenue seems to be generated by ads would seem quite a stretch. Also: Being tracked while on someone’s property isn’t exactly the same as track…

Also: Yet I see many comments rushing to perform mental gymnastics on their behalf. There are several attributes here that match up exactly with other companies that are somehow vilified. The blog post is on point, the user have been in denial for a long time and will continue to be.

> Also: Yet I see many comments rushing to perform mental gymnastics on their behalf. There are several attributes here that match up exactly with other companies that are somehow vilified. The blog post is on point, the user have been in denial for a long time and will continue to be.

I’m all in favour of calling out Apple on their crap. But Apple’s evils aren’t the same as Google’s and Meta’s evils.

I just prefer my conversations and criticisms to be more nuanced, rather than brushing everyone with the same simplistic brush.

Also: Calling users to be in denial is a cheap attack. The reality is, that all of us users live in a world filled with nothing but imperfect choices. — So all we can do is pick our poison according to our personal priorities and preferences at any given time.

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