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AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kamaal »

defrost wrote: post #46
somenameforme wrote: post #16

It's amazing how quickly fake news is able to spread through "credible" news sources, all without even the slightest bit of real verification. I don't know if its scary or comforting to consider that if the political establishment wanted WW3, they could have it had it right there. The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybo…

> The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD To be more accurate about something that matters, no intelligence agency in the US, the UK, AU, or other major intell nation claimed that Iraq had WMD's. That was completely and utterly a senior US political position that demanded non existeant evidence to support a bizarro "known unknowns" claim .. backed by then UK politicians and tacitly agreed…

>>That was completely and utterly a senior US political position that demanded non existeant evidence to support a bizarro "known unknowns" claim

Asking people to "Prove a negative" is such a logical stupidity that is hard to understand how often people get into this.

Imagine you ordering something online on Amazon. And not getting it delivered. And then when you complain to Amazon about this, they asking you to provide a proof that it was not delivered and you don't have it.

How does somebody prove they don't have something? How do they get punished for not showing the absence of something they don't have?

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by brookst »

throwawaymedia wrote: post #47
HDThoreaun wrote: post #42

Quoted post unavailable.

I'm not a Russian shill. I pay my taxes in the US, and, apparently, my actions sponsor the war.

Your comment history is 80% unquestioning pro-Russian goose stepping, and 20% mathematically nonsensical anti-vaxx nonsense.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by somenameforme »

defrost wrote: post #46
somenameforme wrote: post #16

It's amazing how quickly fake news is able to spread through "credible" news sources, all without even the slightest bit of real verification. I don't know if its scary or comforting to consider that if the political establishment wanted WW3, they could have it had it right there. The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybo…

> The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD To be more accurate about something that matters, no intelligence agency in the US, the UK, AU, or other major intell nation claimed that Iraq had WMD's. That was completely and utterly a senior US political position that demanded non existeant evidence to support a bizarro "known unknowns" claim .. backed by then UK politicians and tacitly agreed…

This is a declassified section from the National Intelligence Estimate 2002, which was used as one of the primary justifications for the invasion:

-------------------------- Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

       We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass 
     destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and 
     restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as 
     well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if 
     left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during 
     this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these 
     Key Judgments.)
       We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD 
     efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception 
     efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate 
     the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. 
     We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's 
     WJMD programs.
       Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its 
     chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and 
     invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of 
     most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons 
     program.
https://irp.fas.org/congress/2003_cr/h072103.html --------------------------

Here is reporting from WaPo and NYTimes on what you're saying you saw as Colin's "dog and pony show."

Washington Post - "Irrefutable" : https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/i...

NYTimes - "Irrefutable and Undeniable" : https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/opinion/irrefutable-and-u...

In the midst of war, if you dared to call such thing a "dog and pony show" you'd be called a Saddam shill. War propaganda is a hell of drug, and we often only realize what's happening long after its over. And then we rewrite history in some sort of cognitive dissonance, failing to learn from the past.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kodyo »

piva00 wrote: post #54
kodyo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny thing is that the tables WERE turned, by NATO.

How, exactly?

Jesus Christ.

Every US president since the end of the cold war has authorized eastward expansion of NATO, an alliance whose enemy no longer exists.

The current president was brokering arms deals with Ukraine. The previous president was delivering on those deals.

After the 2014 coup, a major Ukraine energy company, which was cozy with Putin, hired the Vice President’s son in order to cozy up with the new America-friendly regime.

The previous president was impeached for asking Ukraine to investigate corruption by the former Vice President.

Putin warned that arming or granting membership to Ukraine’s belligerent new government was a red line Russia could not tolerate. NATO did it anyway.

The players in the great game fucked around. Pretending nothing happened prior to 2022 is willful ignorance.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by moistly »

brookst wrote: post #62
throwawaymedia wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a Russian shill. I pay my taxes in the US, and, apparently, my actions sponsor the war.

Your comment history is 80% unquestioning pro-Russian goose stepping, and 20% mathematically nonsensical anti-vaxx nonsense.

The root problem is that there is a troubled subset of our population who delight in smearing shit on the walls. We’ve all seen it in real life public toilets, in that literal fashion, but it also comes in the form of ratfucking, like Stone, and in QAnon-style promotion of crazy conspiracy theories, and in many variations in-between. They engage in acts of destruction against the public good; they are destroyers of peace, of reason, of society, and of democracy. Some are legit mentally ill, but other are very savvy and are doing it with deliberation. Social media has broadened their reach and increased the volume of their smear.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by foundajob »

moistly wrote: post #67
brookst wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment history is 80% unquestioning pro-Russian goose stepping, and 20% mathematically nonsensical anti-vaxx nonsense.

The root problem is that there is a troubled subset of our population who delight in smearing shit on the walls. We’ve all seen it in real life public toilets, in that literal fashion, but it also comes in the form of ratfucking, like Stone, and in QAnon-style promotion of crazy conspiracy theories, and in many variations in-between. They engage in acts of destruction against the public good; they are destroyers of p…

It sounds like you're saying that anybody who diverges from your status quo opinions is some sort of mental terrorist. Excuse me, "stochastic terrorist."

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by syrrim »

kodyo wrote: post #66
piva00 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How, exactly?

Jesus Christ. Every US president since the end of the cold war has authorized eastward expansion of NATO, an alliance whose enemy no longer exists. The current president was brokering arms deals with Ukraine. The previous president was delivering on those deals. After the 2014 coup, a major Ukraine energy company, which was cozy with Putin, hired the Vice President’s son in order to cozy up with the new America-frien…

The previous president was impeached for taking aid from ukraine lest they investigate invented allegations of corruption.

That putin warned of something is meaningless. Are we expected to roll over whenever a foreign country makes a threat? Most of these threats are empty; even when they aren't, some things they have no right to threaten us about. A country arming itself to protect from a (demonstrably) belligerent neighbour is one such thing. I'm surprised people eat this ridiculous excuse from putin so easily.

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