The Palestinians there are probably the most heavily surveilled people in the world. These remote controlled turrets are the next level of the panopticon. Whether they are are being manned or not, the effect is chilling if I put myself in their shoes. I would not be surprised if these become targets of rebels.
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. Al Jazeera is literally Qatari government propaganda and there’s substantial evidence that DCI Palestine is tied to terrorist groups ( https://www.reuters.com/world/finnish-christian-charity-cuts... ). Don’t let propagandists blow tragic accidents out of proportion to scapegoat the Jews
> Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. This is odd though, right? Using tear gas in war is a war crime, for almost a hundred years now. It's very strange that we permit its use on civilian populations.
It isn’t odd, you just don’t understand the motivation for inclusion on the banned list. It was outlawed due to the threat of miscalculation. Scenario: You see me launch tear gas, but think it’s mustard gas, you launch mustard gas in return.
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#63I find it interesting that such a small country and population can create the most devastating Offensive Kinetic and Cyber weapons… Is this due to conscription and the revolving door with the Military/Civilian sectors? There have been multiple Cyber Security Companies “created” by ex-military personnel. Any insight / conversation on the topic is welcome.
I’d guess it’s due to the nature of the unrelenting violent opposition they face. Necessity is the mother of invention. And to be fair (making both sides equally pissed off here), from the Palestinian perspective, the violent opposition is seen to be necessitated by the violent oppression and other injustices. But for Israel it’s not just about their internal opposition. They are surrounded by enemies near and far in…
> I’d guess it’s due to the nature of the unrelenting violent opposition they face. Necessity is the mother of invention.
It would be one thing if these types of weapons were used for defense versus offense. Then selling off that offensive weapon to fund more offensive weapons. These weapons that were created as you said to combat violent opposition, enables Nation States and Authoritarian Regimes to target journalists and whistleblowers.
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I imagine that's a complicated question. Do people remotely controlling weapons naturally make the same kind of decisions as those looking right at people?
> Do people remotely controlling weapons naturally make the same kind of decisions as those looking right at people? I'm not sure. I could see it going both ways: de-humanised killers unleashed, or a lack of fight-or-flight prompted panics. Absent information on that, though, non-lethal is better than lethal.
non-lethal is still lethal.
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> the idea of an unmanned sponge-bullet turret in my neighborhood that would fire without notice is pretty sensational anyway Isn’t it objectively better than lethally-armed soldiers?
No. First, it dehumanizes the target. You're effectively playing a video game. Second, it obfuscates the operator and makes culpability harder to assess.
Why was this downvoted? Seems a honest opinion. I even agree with such opinion.
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#67I'll start by saying that we all hope for the end of violence, don't let internet trolls that spread hate blind you to the possibility of respectful co-existence, but I just wanted to share a "Fun fact". There is an entire branch of the IDF responsible for border sensor and control systems, and operation is done mostly by women. Be truthful, you imagined a man being behind the trigger.
What form do you imagine that respectful co-existence would take, considering that the occupation has continued so long?
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It does. Also New Zealand, the land of the Māori. You could construct here a narrative of "large areas under its control", i.e. European settlers vs. Māori. Israel is not a special country here. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/this-is-a-mome...
What does? Are you saying that New Zealand regularly tear gasses the Māori? I’ve never heard that before. I have no doubt whatsoever that New Zealand’s colonization was violent, inhumane, and broadly under-accounted for. This doesn’t somehow excuse Israel, which is unique by virtue of the recency of its founding and actions. Besides, things don’t need to be special or unique to be wrong. Everything I’ve said would ap…
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Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns
#69I'll start by saying that we all hope for the end of violence, don't let internet trolls that spread hate blind you to the possibility of respectful co-existence, but I just wanted to share a "Fun fact". There is an entire branch of the IDF responsible for border sensor and control systems, and operation is done mostly by women. Be truthful, you imagined a man being behind the trigger.
What form do you imagine that respectful co-existence would take, considering that the occupation has continued so long?
Maybe one of the billion peace deals Israel has offered and the Palestinians have rejected
Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns
#70I'll start by saying that we all hope for the end of violence, don't let internet trolls that spread hate blind you to the possibility of respectful co-existence, but I just wanted to share a "Fun fact". There is an entire branch of the IDF responsible for border sensor and control systems, and operation is done mostly by women. Be truthful, you imagined a man being behind the trigger.
It’ll probably be fully automated in decades, if not years. It doesn’t really matter if it’s a man or a woman pulling the trigger tbh