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Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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That most likely won't happen though. In a month most people won't be talking about this and Twitter will be running fine.

This one looks meaningfully different. I won't be logging on in a month since I've already deleted my account (had it since 2010).

This is another "I'm moving to Canada if Trump wins", and nobody of note moved to Canada.

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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$1bn, the exact amount of debt interest Twitter now has to pay off after Musk saddled it with so much debt. So much of this feels like such a waste. I don’t have any problem with the idea of someone taking Twitter private in order to fix it. But with this kind of debt financing and with a CEO that doesn’t seem to understand the company (and tried to get out of buying it)…

Why a waste? Sounds like a smart move? Buy a company, drastically reduce unnecessary expenses.

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Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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All those unnecessary expenses like content moderation and robust fault tolerant infrastructure.

It's an app for billionaires and journos to crank out viral memes, not a pacemaker. The world will be ok.

Not really the point here. If you spent tens of billions purchasing Twitter you presumably don’t want the world to be without it. You have a very active interest in making it a success.

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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Doge?

Is there any connection beyond Musk hyped it a year or two ago?

he's been hyping it non stop, including taking doge for payments with the perfume he launched last month https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aelonmusk%20doge&src=type...

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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Why does this article claim to know that Twitter might go down due to cost cutting? Isn't there a possibility that their infrastructure is just hugely wasteful? Having never worked at giant web app company, if it were run efficiently then what should we expect their server and infra costs to be? Surely that is the type of Fermi calculation someone on this site can make.

Right? The real cost cutting is usually “hey there’s this huge X sitting around that nobody uses 99% of the time” or “This process is 10000x faster after someone did some performance engineering” or “we’re storing this PB dataset a dozen times for no reason” There are often lots of ways to cut the fat that have nothing to do with reducing (reliability related) redundancy.

There's also reducing replication from 4x to 3x which can save a lot but also reduce redundancy.

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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They'd be easily found out by a smart engineer and promptly fired and probably banned by every competitor once word got out.

Incompetence and mistakes are usually hard to prove is malice

You can find a pattern or motive pretty quick if it happens often. I don't think many would be stupid enough to risk their high paying job for that. Any sabotage would probably be from a low-level employee with git access or is more customer facing. An engineer making in the high 6 figures isn't going to risk it all just to "own Elon" or something stupid.

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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It could be the case that Musk is an a-hole who happens to be right. Maybe Twitter's OPEX expanded to fill whatever seemed right for the massive ad revenue (or "potential" revenue). They probably did not need an enormous engineering team to keep the site running. But beyond "just running" I am curious how difficult it is for them to combat spam/bots/griefers/hatemongers. Spending money on moderators and some kind of engineering to make the moderation team productive is a good investment.

As much as some folks hate it, I think paying for the service makes a great deal of sense. Just imagine how much better these things might be if they weren't all driven by adtech. But yeah it could also easily become Twitter's death knell. That network effect will work in your favor right up until it starts working in your biggest competitor's favor. Market leaders can't hold on forever.

re: "paying for it" - I think it would be a potentially awesome experiment to provide a service like [Gmail+Twitter+LinkedIn] for something like $5/mo or maybe even $10/yr. And what if you could get some incremental funding from government grants or NGOs & philanthropists who saw this as a public good (the same way some endowments fund public radio, TV etc).

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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Elon used to be a software engineer so it's kinda weird how he thinks a legacy codebase like Twitter can be fixed up to use $1B less every year. Twitter is limited mainly by storage, their compute costs are negligible in comparison. So unless there is so much bloat in their hardware procurement process that they're over-provisioning storage by more than $1B a year there is no way to reduce costs. The hardware costs w…

I struggle to find one correct remark in your comment. This take clearly suggests you have never worked on any similar infrastructure / distributed systems before at scale. So you're telling me there's no backend or compute workers? And you're telling me that there are no opportunities for performance optimization? That they are already 100% native C++ services at full parallel utilization? That they've already tuned…

> If so, even just moving to on-prem would save them the $1B easily

Except you can't wave a magic wand and shift the entire distributed infrastructure for one of the five most visited sites on earth on-prem. Twitter has two DCs. Running their infra on-prem somewhere would require reworking the entire company from the ground up in a way that would take years and cost substantially more than $1b.

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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I suppose if everyone is fleeing the service, less infrastructure is required.

Why would everyone flee? Twitter had a problem with censorship and Musk is going to fix it. Some will come back, some will leave, the tone overall will change a bit, but that's about it.

Re: Musk orders Twitter to cut infrastructure costs by $1B – sources

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That most likely won't happen though. In a month most people won't be talking about this and Twitter will be running fine.

This one looks meaningfully different. I won't be logging on in a month since I've already deleted my account (had it since 2010).

And you think you are representative of the average Twitter user, why?
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