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Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by saghm »

zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #12
denkmoon wrote: post #4

The article says Delridge is Debian based but appears to be using RPMs? Never seen that. I would have thought the primary advantage of being Debian based is the large repository of packages?

You can install RPMs on Debian but most probably you will run into filesystem-level conflicts with DEB packages. But if you are rebuilding your own Debian-based distro, nothing prevents you from packaging everything into RPMs instead of DEBs and that's see. Not that I see the point of that, though.

From what I understand, most of the package-level tools (dpkg, rpm, etc.) will technically work on any Linux system; you just wouldn't be able to share dependency management with whatever the native package management system is, so as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, dealing with file conflicts would be one annoying issue. I think using the repository-level tooling (apt, yum/dnf, etc.) on distros they're not the default on might be harder to do, although I wouldn't be surprised if it also fell into the "technically possible but probably not worth the effort" bucket.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by zbird »

rnd0 wrote: post #51
squarefoot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will…

>Still Microsoft Here, here. I haven't seen anything yet that isn't straight out of the MS playbook on this.

Did you mean 'hear, hear', or is 'here, here' something I missed?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by gtirloni »

muststopmyths wrote: post #39
bnjms wrote: post #13

Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

Microsoft seems to have basically given up on windows except for legacy support. I suppose satya’s master plan is to eventually compete with Amazon on the price of Linux VMs

That's not even remotely true.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by gtirloni »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #26
mastax wrote: post #17

Imagine writing Linux From Scratch and someone from Microsoft reads it and uses it to make a Linux distribution that goes on to power dozens of that trillion-dollar company's products. To be clear, I'm not saying that "you should be outraged," necessarily. It's just an interesting thing.

LFS wouldn't be the ideal disto to create a Linux distribution. It might be good to help train people how to make one but Yocto and other projects are better suited for creating a distro. The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft.

> The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft. reply

Interesting take. Care to elaborate?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by __s »

squarefoot wrote: post #33
aeturnum wrote: post #11

> Microsoft Linux Man, what a time to be alive! Who would have thought it. Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?!

Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will…

Mariner isn't being pushed for others, it's a way for Microsoft to mitigate risk of supply chain attacks in their services currently using other distros

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by easton »

dullcrisp wrote: post #64

How does CBL-Mariner running atop the user’s distribution in WSL work? Is the userland managed by the user’s distro or by this one?

It’s used as the “system distro” for running support services and stuff before/between when distros are loaded. The distro userland sits on top of the VM running CBL-mariner (and I’m almost certain that when you run multiple wsl distros they are all in one VM, though that may be wrong).

Of interest, the CBL-Mariner ”system distro” is where the X server is for WSLg. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/microsoft/wslg/main/docs/W...

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by kitotik »

bitwize wrote: post #19

Makes me think of Eric S. Raymond's erotic fanfic: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 If this is going to be a desktop offering from Microsoft, I think it will be for remote cloud and potentially WSL2 use only. The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows.

> The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows.

Is there really any demand for this though? What Linux gui apps exist that windows users want/need? Enough that Microsoft sees an addressable market large enough to get roi?

The inverse seems to have way more practical use cases that could actually drive revenue - games and legacy business applications (as mentioned in the esr prose).

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