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Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by jsilence »

bergie wrote: post #49
arnorhs wrote: post #26

There is precisely nothing new about this idea, even though this code might be fresher. It would be interesting to hear how this thing addresses some of the shortcomings of the other inline editing components out there and how this is better.

It is certainly not a new idea, even we did our first implementation years ago. The main new thing here is that Create is completely backend-agnostic, only using RDFa to communicate content structure from server to editing interface, and Backbone.sync to communicate changes back to the server. But apart from that, what sort of shortcomings are you particularly concerned about?

Would be nice to have a list of RDFa compatible backends.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by jsilence »

To me the novelty appears to be the backend agnostic RDFa communication with the content server rather than the inline editing.

Would be nice if more CMS backends would support this, followed by more and more editing frontends and tools. Thereby everyone could pick the component of their choice. Even different editing frontends for different unsers on the same system would be possible.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by tbranyen »

bergie wrote: post #49
arnorhs wrote: post #26

There is precisely nothing new about this idea, even though this code might be fresher. It would be interesting to hear how this thing addresses some of the shortcomings of the other inline editing components out there and how this is better.

It is certainly not a new idea, even we did our first implementation years ago. The main new thing here is that Create is completely backend-agnostic, only using RDFa to communicate content structure from server to editing interface, and Backbone.sync to communicate changes back to the server. But apart from that, what sort of shortcomings are you particularly concerned about?

Backbone.js huh =) We should get you on the homepage.

Submit a pull req or contact me on GitHub.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by dkersten »

spc476 wrote: post #56
bergie wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is actually a perfectly valid web publishing protocol. We've done quite a lot of systems where clients can publish news items by just mailing them to a certain mailbox. And http://www.deathmonkey.org/ was completely produced by sending emails from (old, pre-iPhone) smartphones on the road.

Ditto. I update my blog via email.

I love posterous for this reason. I find email is a natural interface for a lot of things and only wish I could do more just through email (like, I dunno, email social network interface perhaps?)

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by sambeau »

arnorhs wrote: post #26

There is precisely nothing new about this idea, even though this code might be fresher. It would be interesting to hear how this thing addresses some of the shortcomings of the other inline editing components out there and how this is better.

Indeed. I created a system that worked like this in 2003.

(it looks well done and it's interesting, but it's not a 'new kind of editing interface')

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

jsilence wrote: post #61
bergie wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is certainly not a new idea, even we did our first implementation years ago. The main new thing here is that Create is completely backend-agnostic, only using RDFa to communicate content structure from server to editing interface, and Backbone.sync to communicate changes back to the server. But apart from that, what sort of shortcomings are you particularly concerned about?

Would be nice to have a list of RDFa compatible backends.

Backends don't need to be RDFa-compatible in any other sense than being able to contain the RDFa attributes in their HTML templates.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

bobfunk wrote: post #54
andyking wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have similar issues - our website is in WordPress and despite the ease-of-use of this particular package, a lot of people just don't seem to get it. Some staff and volunteers pick it up quite easily, if they haven't already seen or used it before, but several people just don't do it, and instead I get a phone call or email saying "can you put this on the website?". Incidentally, do you find a lot of people simply c…

We're also aiming to solve this with Webpop ( http://www.webpop.com ). we dont do inline editing, but on-site editing where you navigate to the page you want to update and click edit, we then highlight all dynamic content on the page and bring up the relevant form when clicked. In our first prototypes we were playing around with inline editing, but ended up concluding that it causes more problems than it solves when…

Typically with Create we simply don't make "generated" content editable, so in this case the truncated body text would not be available in the editing UI.

In this situation user would need to go to the article page to edit the actual contents.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

jsilence wrote: post #62

To me the novelty appears to be the backend agnostic RDFa communication with the content server rather than the inline editing. Would be nice if more CMS backends would support this, followed by more and more editing frontends and tools. Thereby everyone could pick the component of their choice. Even different editing frontends for different unsers on the same system would be possible.

That is exactly the plan: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/decoupling_content_management/

But first you have to have one nice editing interface as a carrot so CMSs start supporting the needed features.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

joshontheweb wrote: post #55

Similar project: http://etchjs.com - An inline content editor *disclosure: I released this project

Nice! Seems indeed very similar. Linked to the Create README: https://github.com/bergie/create/commit/75eb91919423471eb6e7...

Maybe Etch you also run with VIE's Backbone models? http://viejs.org/

Then you could basically swap between Etch and Create with the same mark-up and server-side implementation.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by gren »

I would love to have this system for documentations and articles. Imagine if you let people easily improve texts, fix spelling mistakes, or translate pages, for documentation you wrote.

More generally, this would be awesome to use on a wiki.

This makes editing even more accessible.

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