How labor and delivery doctors treat women is criminal. A hospital should not be a butcher shop.
What a gross way to put a surgery.
Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
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Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
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You mean a generally-recommended-as-medically-necessary-only procedure that would result in far more complications were it not performed? And anyway, people get surgeries all the time, how is this any different?
> You mean a generally-recommended-as-medically-necessary-only procedure that would result in far more complications were it not performed? A Caesarean is often performed even when it is not medically necessary. Hence "why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM"? Additionally, above a certain rate in industrialized countries, they are not even associated with better birth outcomes. > And anyway, people get surgeries…
Why should this decision not be left up to the mother?
Why is this unethical?
Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
#63Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes I have two kids one of which was delivered by c-section.
And it looked like a butcher shop to you? I honestly have no idea what you're getting this from. Do you remember you/your wife giving vaginal birth to her placenta? Didn't that look like a butcher shop?
He might mean butcher shop as in being treated like a piece of meat to be handled as conveniently as possible, rather than consulted or even allowed to guide her own birthing experience. My wife had made similar remarks.
Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
#65How labor and delivery doctors treat women is criminal. A hospital should not be a butcher shop.
Wife never had a C section, but how they treat you until you get discharged would be literally torture in another context. Wife got woken up every 30 mins to 1 hour for this and that test, paperwork, questions, etc.
Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
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#67This is a good example of how in the real world, everything is correlated with everything. Understanding this principle, I would expect uneven birth times and birth dates. I may not be able to guess what will cause it to be uneven (though in this particular case I would have gotten pretty close), or by how much it will deviate from uniformly random (I would have gotten this wrong to the low side), but it's sure to be…
There’s a difference between lots of different factors having an impact and one giant one forcing everything to be at the same time.
With the former you’d expect a normal distribution (not uniform) due to the central limit theorem - the sum of a large number of variables with some error distribution will result in a sum with a normal distribution. This isn’t math 101 but an incontrovertible fundamental finding of Calculus (and 100% applies to the real world).
The article explains the latter phenomenon though. Births are being scheduled due to C-sections. This isn’t a confluence of some interesting factors into a surprising result but the presence of one factor that overrides all others and one that has grown in popularity due to the efficacy of modern techniques.
Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it looked like a butcher shop to you? I honestly have no idea what you're getting this from. Do you remember you/your wife giving vaginal birth to her placenta? Didn't that look like a butcher shop?
He might mean butcher shop as in being treated like a piece of meat to be handled as conveniently as possible, rather than consulted or even allowed to guide her own birthing experience. My wife had made similar remarks.
Well, I guess sorry your doctors sucked, but that isn't reason to malign the whole concept.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
He might mean butcher shop as in being treated like a piece of meat to be handled as conveniently as possible, rather than consulted or even allowed to guide her own birthing experience. My wife had made similar remarks.
Well, I guess sorry your doctors sucked, but that isn't reason to malign the whole concept.
What are you talking about? This doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of individual doctors, or whether any particular procedure has value. (At least, as I understand the point of the descriptions of systems in action in the article.)
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Well, I guess sorry your doctors sucked, but that isn't reason to malign the whole concept.
What are you talking about? This doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of individual doctors, or whether any particular procedure has value. (At least, as I understand the point of the descriptions of systems in action in the article.)
I'm responding to the butcher shop comment, not the article. The article has no reference to c sections or labor and delivery in general being butcher shoppy, unless you think scheduling a time for a c section or inductions makes it a butcher shop. I assumed OP was talking about c sections specifically, since it was in response to a comment about c sections, and c sections might use similar tools to a butcher shop(a knife).
The comment makes even less sense if they're talking about labor and delivery generally, which maybe they are. Maybe hospitals are a little too clinical for some, but that doesn't make them a butcher shop, and that's why you can bring your own doula. And maybe the clinicalness is part of the reason hospital births are far safer than home births.