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Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by esprehn »

super256 wrote: post #19
whalesalad wrote: post #9

we buyin frameworks now

Anyone remembers that upon Remix' initial release, one had to buy a licence for 250 USD? https://web.archive.org/web/20201204025307/https://remix.run...

Michael and Ryan have always been about trying to make money from their React expertise. They literally created a company called React Training: https://reacttraining.com/team and have had a fairly lucrative business doing workshops for years.

No harm in trying to get folks to pay for a framework. It doesn't seem it worked, but I can't fault them for trying!

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by AprilArcus »

good8675309 wrote: post #59
dirkg wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because JQ is already loaded, and it IS minimal. You could do querySelector(...).addEventListener etc but why would you?

I get the purist push for Vanilla JS but for me it's still way too verbose. W3C has had decades to fix it and while it's improved it's still verbose as heck. Just implement the jQuery API into Vanilla JS and people would stop using jQuery.

"just"

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by mkl95 »

jspash wrote: post #11

There seems to be a disconnect between what Shopify do internally and what they ask of their users. With Hydrogen and now Remix you would think they have their sh*t together. But when the official docs recommend that you inline jquery click handlers for a simple adjustment to their shop, I just don't know what to think. All in all the Shopify dev experience for me is on par with Wordpress. I hold my nose and cash the…

Most places that employ rockstar frontend guys are like that. Management let them build their design systems and other cool stuff, but most of their backlog consists of new spaghetti on top of old spaghetti plus bug fixes. The cool stuff is used on greenfield projects.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by bcrosby95 »

good8675309 wrote: post #59
dirkg wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because JQ is already loaded, and it IS minimal. You could do querySelector(...).addEventListener etc but why would you?

I get the purist push for Vanilla JS but for me it's still way too verbose. W3C has had decades to fix it and while it's improved it's still verbose as heck. Just implement the jQuery API into Vanilla JS and people would stop using jQuery.

I'm really surprised they don't get more shit for it.

People love to make fun of Java for being verbose but then go all googoo eyes over Vanilla JS. As a Java developer for 20 years now, using it makes me think a Java developer from the '90s designed it.

But, you know, it's JS so it gets a pass.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by reducesuffering »

BryanBeshore wrote: post #44
Existenceblinks wrote: post #39

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I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probably got gaslit by React vibe and demands change (admittedly I made this shit up)

FWIW: Tobi mentioned that if he had to do it all over again, he would still build the admin and business logic of Shopify in Ruby on Rails, but would probably build their liquid rendering in Rust or something like it https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0...

Probably only because that's what he's familiar with. Rails has the most ubiquitous scale problems that large co's keep migrating away from, and new devs are trending away from it. Shopify investing into the JS/TS backend world is just another domino falling of Ruby/Rails descending into Perl-like prevalence.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by good8675309 »

AprilArcus wrote: post #62
good8675309 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the purist push for Vanilla JS but for me it's still way too verbose. W3C has had decades to fix it and while it's improved it's still verbose as heck. Just implement the jQuery API into Vanilla JS and people would stop using jQuery.

"just"

I mean the W3C has an annual revenue of $5.7M so it's not like they don't have the resources to start setting some vision and goals towards this.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by cultofmetatron »

BryanBeshore wrote: post #44
Existenceblinks wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probably got gaslit by React vibe and demands change (admittedly I made this shit up)

FWIW: Tobi mentioned that if he had to do it all over again, he would still build the admin and business logic of Shopify in Ruby on Rails, but would probably build their liquid rendering in Rust or something like it https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0...

elixir/phoenix gives you a lot of the same productivity as rails with vastly higher performance. the big benefit to rails these days is the massive ecosystem of drop in gems.
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