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What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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Inflation isn’t caused by too much money. It is caused by too much money velocity. That’s why the last huge injection of money in 2008 didn’t cause inflation. Folks sat on their money and didn’t spend it. Raising interest rates isn’t about causing unemployment (directly at least). It is about causing capital investment to be less lucrative than tying the money up in treasuries, reducing money velocity.

Inflation is mostly caused by two things. The first and most obvious are external commodity supply price shocks which crash demand because essential inputs and their dependent outputs become unaffordable. (The demand is still there of course, but it becomes too expensive to satisfy it.) The second is misdirected money supply which steers money towards sweatable assets like property and stock ownership, and away from…

> The second is misdirected money supply which steers money towards sweatable assets like property and stock ownership, and away from productive investment, original invention and research, and small business creation.

You appear to be arguing that an increase in the money supply for "sweatable assets" comes at the cost of a reduction in the money supply for everything else. If this were true, you'd expect inflation in "sweatable assets", and deflation elsewhere, which is not what's observed (we currently have inflation in consumer goods, and if anything, housing & stocks are deflating).

> Inflation has very little to do with money velocity, interest rates, unemployment, wage rises, or any of that other supply side nonsense.

It seems to be a substantial leap to suggest that inflation has little to do with interest rates, given that Central Banks are tasked with managing inflation, and the main lever that they pull on are interest rates. A more typical view is that, in the long run, inflation depends on the quantity of money, and interest rates affect that quantity.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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It seems like capping prices would cap inflation, but I can’t think of any great mechanism to accomplish such a cap. Central bank interest rates and taxes are controlled by relatively few people. Prices are controlled by hundreds of thousands of people.

If you cap prices for a given company or product, you prevent that company (or producers of that product) from competing effectively for the inputs to that product in the broader market place (bear in mind things like labour and energy are relatively interchangeable between companies), that can ultimately mean that the company can no longer produce anything at all (if the cost of their inputs rise above their sale pr…

There is also a government role in making sure an efficient and fair market exists for goods, by working against cartels and monopolies for instance.

The gas price shock is partly caused by a massive supply shock, but also an unwillingness of the cartel to increase supply, since they are doing just fine with the high prices.

I think we are seeing something similar with (for instance) Amazon. A gross simplification is that Amazon has achieved market dominance in many goods. This has reduced competition from smaller businesses, who can't compete in price. However those local stockholders would have been more resilient in the supply chain crisis than the Amazon ecosystem, because they bulk shipped stock to their warehouse (where they held stock), vs drop shipping it on demand from some distant place. This was costlier at the time, but arguably better for the environment and the resilience of the economy.

Right now Amazon is not the cheapest on anything and doesn't have everything in stock for 24 hour delivery any more. It doesn't fulfil its promise of being cheaper or faster. Government could put various controls on Amazon, but instead let us traditional businesses fight to stay alive against it (or be forced to sell through it!). Personally I think Amazon marketplace should be split from Amazon the store for this reason. You can't be the marketplace and a participant.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you cap prices for a given company or product, you prevent that company (or producers of that product) from competing effectively for the inputs to that product in the broader market place (bear in mind things like labour and energy are relatively interchangeable between companies), that can ultimately mean that the company can no longer produce anything at all (if the cost of their inputs rise above their sale pr…

There is also a government role in making sure an efficient and fair market exists for goods, by working against cartels and monopolies for instance. The gas price shock is partly caused by a massive supply shock, but also an unwillingness of the cartel to increase supply, since they are doing just fine with the high prices. I think we are seeing something similar with (for instance) Amazon. A gross simplification is…

> There is also a government role in making sure an efficient and fair market exists for goods, by working against cartels and monopolies for instance.

> The gas price shock is partly caused by a massive supply shock, but also an unwillingness of the cartel to increase supply, since they are doing just fine with the high prices.

I certainly agree with these points.

> I think we are seeing something similar with (for instance) Amazon. A gross simplification is that Amazon has achieved market dominance in many goods. This has reduced competition from smaller businesses, who can't compete in price. However those local stockholders would have been more resilient in the supply chain crisis than the Amazon ecosystem, because they bulk shipped stock to their warehouse (where they held stock), vs drop shipping it on demand from some distant place. This was costlier at the time, but arguably better for the environment and the resilience of the economy.

Retail shopping remains one of the most competitive sectors in the economy. It is true Amazon has raised the bar for service, choice and price, and benefits from economies of scale, which has made it difficult for other businesses to compete, however we’re very far from Amazon having a monopoly on retail shopping (you can also see this in their very slim margin on their retail business - if they were dominating, they’d have a substantially bigger margin.).

> Right now Amazon is not the cheapest on anything ... It doesn't fulfil its promise of being cheaper or faster.

It is somewhat unfair to say that Amazon is bad because smaller businesses cannot compete on price, and also say that Amazon is expensive and other providers are cheaper - both of these statements cannot be true.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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If inflation is caused by people having too much money then it is a self-correcting problem because as prices go up people will no longer have as much money. Soon enough they will not have too much money at all. So what is the real problem with inflation? Is it the economic inequality it brings to those who have to live on fixed income? I've been following the discussion on US TV and it seems they are saying we need…

Inflation isn’t caused by too much money. It is caused by too much money velocity. That’s why the last huge injection of money in 2008 didn’t cause inflation. Folks sat on their money and didn’t spend it. Raising interest rates isn’t about causing unemployment (directly at least). It is about causing capital investment to be less lucrative than tying the money up in treasuries, reducing money velocity.

“Money velocity” doesn't really exist though except as a catch-all variable in monetarists' equation MV=PQ.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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>> If the flow is constant and the stock increases, you get inflation That seems like it’s missing a variable to describe when increased supply is spent vs when it is saved. If stock increases but is not channeled through flow, i.e. i take a loan at 2% to save in my bank’s savings offer of 5.25% then flow stays the same (i still spend on the same things each month) but money supply went up and inflation remained unin…

I think you can decompose stock into 'money that is in circulation', and 'money that is not'. In some sense, the only relevant partition is the quantity of money that is actually in circulation. If I take $100bn of cash and bury it and hide the map, I haven't actually decreased the quantity of money (the total amount that exists), but I have effectively decreased the quantity of money (the amount that is in circulati…

> In some sense, the only relevant partition is the quantity of money that is actually in circulation

Yeah thats the bit i’m trying to get my ahead around. Specifically:

>> It's arguably both a stock problem and a flow problem

I’m thinking the key variable here is flow

>>> it's a flow problem

You cant have inflation without increased flow, but i’m still wondering about stock because it’s not as simple as just excess money.

Perhaps it is correct enough to just frame it as a flow problem, since that variable is always dominant in every inflation scenario.

> depends on the bank's net lending to you

Yeah that makes sense, so my example should have been a loan from one bank and a savings account at another

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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Amazing that the article can identify the causal factors that drove inflation during 1965-1982 - such as massive government funding to support a war, and then ignore the change in policy (end of war) that led to the moderation that followed.

The USA (especially) and UK (just a bit) have just spent trillions on a war in Iraq and Afghanistan, everyone (I can't think of an exception) has spent trillions on a war against Covid-19. It's not surprising that there is now an inflationary surge. The solution is not to have more wars or pandemics.

Unfortunately this is (to some degree) not a matter of choice for all parties. I don't think for a second that the timing of Putin's war suited the west, which is why Putin went in when he did. The timing of any war in Taiwan will not be chosen to suit all parties either. The war on terror was a matter of choice. History is revealing it to have been a very bad choice indeed. The next pandemic will not be a matter of choice either, whether it's man made or natural no one is going to wake up in the morning and say "wouldn't it be great if we had covid-3?" but if we get covid-3 we will have to react to it.

For me this is the real lesson - one that Putin is learning as well. If a state is presented with the possibility of embarking on a war of choice there is no real choice. The only rational thing is to refuse to embark on that course because the risk of catastrophe is very high and the opportunity costs are higher.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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This article is missing a lot. For instance, it misses the international element completely. It does not mention one of the most important monetary facts of the 20th Century: that the USA dollar was allowed to float 1971. This was the end of the Bretton Woods system:

https://www.bundesbank.de/en/tasks/topics/1973-the-end-of-br...

The floating exchange rate helped the USA to hold on to manufacturing jobs, but caused inflation to go higher. This is a big fact to miss.

"What the Great Inflation Taught Us" leans too much on accounts from Paul Volcker and Warren Buffet. It only shares the point of view of the market and investors. It does not include any point of view associated with manufacturing or labor.

The essay doesn't mention the international context, the fact that inflation was often higher in other countries besides the USA. It doesn't attempt to explain some of the anomalies of the era, such as Japan, where inflation peaked at 26% despite the fact that Japan had a strengthening currency.

The inflation of the era was international, and its beginning and end can only be understood in the international context. I made an attempt to look at this era from the point of view of the relationships between the developed and underdeveloped nations, and their currencies:

https://demodexio.substack.com/p/why-did-the-west-deindustri...

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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If inflation is caused by people having too much money then it is a self-correcting problem because as prices go up people will no longer have as much money. Soon enough they will not have too much money at all. So what is the real problem with inflation? Is it the economic inequality it brings to those who have to live on fixed income? I've been following the discussion on US TV and it seems they are saying we need…

Imagine a country that has no international trade of any kind. If this country has inflation, the inflation has to be because of an excess of dollars over what can, in the short term, be supplied. (Over the long-term the stimulus of spending should lead to an increase in supply, which is why every nation prefer inflation to be mildly positive rather than mildly negative.)

But imagine a country that imports 25% of GDP and exports 25% of GDP, so that trade makes up 50% of the GDP. Now it can have an increase in inflation without a change in its monetary policy. For instance, if it buys a critical supply from a country, and that other country has an appreciating currency, then suddenly the imports will be more expensive. This is with no change to domestic monetary policy.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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This article is missing a lot. For instance, it misses the international element completely. It does not mention one of the most important monetary facts of the 20th Century: that the USA dollar was allowed to float 1971. This was the end of the Bretton Woods system: https://www.bundesbank.de/en/tasks/topics/1973-the-end-of-br... The floating exchange rate helped the USA to hold on to manufacturing jobs, but caused i…

Agreed. Also misses the global effect of the Arab oil embargo over US support for Israel in the 1973 war, which was amplified further by the rise of OPEC and the concommitant rise in international oil prices. This in turn caused a balance-of-payments problem, which in turn led to petrodollar recycling and the military-economic alliance between Gulf Arab states and the USA (and also, though this is largely forgotten, the Shah of Iran was a major player in that system before being deposed by the Iranian Revolution).

Andrew Scott Cooper's The Oil Kings covers that in some detail:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12348743-the-oil-kings

It's very relevant today as the spike in oil prices is fairly similar, and current US tensions with Saudi Arabia are not all that different from similar tensions with the Shah of Iran at the time.

Additionally, I'm a bit skeptical about the author's claim that full employment is the number one cause of inflation.

Re: What the Great Inflation (1965-1982) taught us

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This article is missing a lot. For instance, it misses the international element completely. It does not mention one of the most important monetary facts of the 20th Century: that the USA dollar was allowed to float 1971. This was the end of the Bretton Woods system: https://www.bundesbank.de/en/tasks/topics/1973-the-end-of-br... The floating exchange rate helped the USA to hold on to manufacturing jobs, but caused i…

Agreed. Also misses the global effect of the Arab oil embargo over US support for Israel in the 1973 war, which was amplified further by the rise of OPEC and the concommitant rise in international oil prices. This in turn caused a balance-of-payments problem, which in turn led to petrodollar recycling and the military-economic alliance between Gulf Arab states and the USA (and also, though this is largely forgotten,…

Economics is a thin veneer we paint over thermodynamics because we haven't figured out how to drink oil and eat uranium yet. That high ranking economists can complete gloss over facts like that today is as scandalous as medieval chroniclers who talk about god punishing them for their wickedness with plague and famine without mentioning the sun was blocked out by a volcano for a decade.
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