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Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by dylan604 »

capableweb wrote: post #45
rwbt wrote: post #9

Good. This is likely an unpopular opinion but the internet was supposed to bring knowledge, creative expression and so much more to the masses. Instead it devolved into a dopamine delivery machine with non-stop binge consumption and addiction to everyone.

Likely to be unpopular because it's likely to be false dichotomy. The internet is both of those things, at the same time, as you can choose how you use it, whenever you want. Sometimes it gives me dopamine, sometimes it brings me knowledge, sometimes it allows me to express myself creatively and sometimes it allows me to consume other peoples creativity.

The people involved in making the dopamine delivery shows also consider that an expression of their creative abilities. Just to throw a different perspective into the mix.

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by dylan604 »

dexterdog wrote: post #55
lotsofpulp wrote: post #33

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There are currently 55 episodes available for $10 per month on paramount+ or $3 per episode via Apple’s TV app, or $30 per season for seasons 1 thru 3 in Apple’s TV app. On Amazon, lower quality episodes are available for $2 each for seasons 1 thru 3. The seller wants $30 per season and you are looking to pay $3 to $5. The seller is also offering $10 to rent 4 seasons assuming you binge watch 55 episodes in a month.…

It actually sounds pretty terrible to pay $10/mo to watch a single show. Sure, they will let you watch other stuff, but if you just want the one show you still pay what amounts to almost an entire netflix subscription. You can own the blurays of all 3 seasons (a much higher quality video stream) for under $60 and likely even cheaper on a special which you can then keep or sell.

>It actually sounds pretty terrible to pay $10/mo to watch a single show

Yet people pay >$10 per ~2 hour feature at the theater.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

over_bridge wrote: post #60
lotsofpulp wrote: post #57

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>You can own the blurays of all 3 seasons (a much higher quality video stream) for under $60 and likely even cheaper on a special which you can then keep or sell. That is great, an additional option for people that want to watch, My point is people’s problem is not accessibility, it is price. When I was younger, accessibility itself was the problem, but that problem is resolved for almost all popular media now.

I once spent 20 min trying to find which streaming service had the latest season of the Orville in New Zealand. Turns out none of them do. I tried to find a digital copy on every store I could think of and failed. I looked for the Blu-ray and learned that Fox isn't ever releasing one. The whole time in the back of my mind I knew exactly where I could find it for free without any pain at all. In my book if there's no…

Yes, I cannot blame anyone for pirating if media producers want to gate their products behind artificial hurdles.

You should be able to quickly reach at least one legal way to instantly pay and watch from the official content website.

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Post by dylan604 »

wollsmoth wrote: post #27
CharlesW wrote: post #18

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Personally, I'd prefer frictionless fragmentation to centralization. I'm never going to subscribe to Paramount+ (or Whatever+) to see one or two shows I'm interested in, but I'd gladly pay $3-5 to stream a season of Star Trek: Discovery . If there's also a Paramount+ bundle that includes all of their original and licensed content, that's fine too.

I think you can do this on Amazon, but you have to "buy" the season. I did try this with one or two shows. But the price point is a little high considering I usually only watch once.

The price is a little high PLUS they can pull the licensing and remove that content from your account. The "buy" option is a "lease" with an open ending to when the lease expires.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

1123581321 wrote: post #20
echelon wrote: post #7

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Netflix should have bought out NBC, CBS/Paramount, Discovery, or (most significantly) HBO/WB. Or even just their perpetual streaming rights back in the 00's. Letting Discovery acquire WB was one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made. Just imagine if Netflix had the HBO and WB slate. Game of Thrones, all of DC, Cartoon Network... HBO has the superior content lineup, and they let that slide through their fingers. T…

Netflix couldn’t afford WB or NBC without slowing down the rest of their content production. A lot of the content they would’ve gotten doesn’t work well on streaming, as Warner is finding out. Spending time and money on a major network would’ve put them behind, and scared all their competitors early. By not weighing themselves down, they were able to build their massive library. Netflix tried hard to get the LotR rig…

> A lot of the content they would’ve gotten doesn’t work well on streaming, as Warner is finding out

can you clarify? My experience with HBOMax is not the content sucks but the service / site sucks so much it makes me actively not want to watch things. I'm continually offended just by how much it sucks.

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Post by wollsmoth »

CharlesW wrote: post #58
lotsofpulp wrote: post #39

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That is what paramount is offering via their $10 per month option.

Yes, I'm aware of the available pricing/packaging options. What I want is à la carte streaming access to TV seasons for $3-5. What I don't want is a bunch of extraneous content I don't care about and another subscription to have to remember to cancel.

Yeah, I guess where I landed is just subbing and unsubbing when a show I want is on. Sometimes I also watch a movie or two from the service while I'm at it. I follow few enough shows that it's not unmanageable.

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Post by RockRobotRock »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #44
RockRobotRock wrote: post #38

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Why do you want streaming services to be centralized? Is everyone forgetting how awful cable TV subscriptions were? You could subscribe to Netflix/Hulu/Peacock/Disney and still come under a lot of cable bills.

The fragmentation of streaming services often conflicts with what consumers want to see. Spotify is a centralized service and people love it. That's basically what consumers want, a Spotify for TV. The other issue with all of these streaming services is varied compatibility based on your platform. HBO didn't work with Roku for a year or two over a contract dispute, other streaming services weren't available on all de…

YouTube didn't work on Amazon Fire devices for a long time because Amazon removed competing Google products from Amazon.com. It was really frustrating. The consumer always loses in these cases.

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Post by GauntletWizard »

rwbt wrote: post #9

Good. This is likely an unpopular opinion but the internet was supposed to bring knowledge, creative expression and so much more to the masses. Instead it devolved into a dopamine delivery machine with non-stop binge consumption and addiction to everyone.

How does "knowledge, creative expression and so much more to the masses" differ from "dopamine delivery machine"? Is it actually worthwhile for everyone to have deep knowledge of X if they're not actually going to use that knowledge?

There's a distinct effect to knowledge inflation, and knowledge and skills are not the same though related. A lot of people who are, to use a loaded term, " Too Big for their Britches", but also a lot of people who how immense access to know their lot in life isn't good but without the skills or opportunities to actually make use of that.

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Post by 1123581321 »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #65
1123581321 wrote: post #20

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Netflix couldn’t afford WB or NBC without slowing down the rest of their content production. A lot of the content they would’ve gotten doesn’t work well on streaming, as Warner is finding out. Spending time and money on a major network would’ve put them behind, and scared all their competitors early. By not weighing themselves down, they were able to build their massive library. Netflix tried hard to get the LotR rig…

> A lot of the content they would’ve gotten doesn’t work well on streaming, as Warner is finding out can you clarify? My experience with HBOMax is not the content sucks but the service / site sucks so much it makes me actively not want to watch things. I'm continually offended just by how much it sucks.

Yes, I mean that in addition to the good stuff (Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Batman, etc) Netflix would have to pay for a huge catalog of content that isn’t a draw on streaming. To make the most of it, they would suddenly be in the business of managing TV channels and distribution partnerships. So they’d essentially overpay because they’d be outside their core business when their strategy is maximal focus on the core business. The opportunity cost would be the ability to create and license new streaming content they don’t overpay for.

Warner has recently been culling some of these poorly performing fits from HBO Max (arguably imperfectly), so they also recognize this.

I didn’t mean that people don’t enjoy HBO’s good programs.

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Post by gs17 »

CharlesW wrote: post #18
vardump wrote: post #2

The more fragmented the streaming services get, the more attractive piracy becomes.

Personally, I'd prefer frictionless fragmentation to centralization. I'm never going to subscribe to Paramount+ (or Whatever+) to see one or two shows I'm interested in, but I'd gladly pay $3-5 to stream a season of Star Trek: Discovery . If there's also a Paramount+ bundle that includes all of their original and licensed content, that's fine too.

> but I'd gladly pay $3-5 to stream a season of Star Trek: Discovery. If there's also a Paramount+ bundle that includes all of their original and licensed content, that's fine too.

That's how I treat it already. I subscribed to it for two shows, cancelled immediately after. They actually have other stuff I would like to watch, but their player/app is so awful that I was forced to go to pirate streams multiple times to watch what I paid for.

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