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macOS 13 Ventura review

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by duped »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #52
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> excessive e-waste We're talking about the company that makes AirPods and forces Lightning Cables to exist. Half their product line is e-waste.

Lightning has been around longer than USB-C and they've changed their charging port once in 20 years. That's a better history than every other mobile device manufacturer. Their most recent cable is a bridge between the eventual USB-C transition without obsoleting everyone's existing peripherals and cables.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by kergonath »

als0 wrote: post #29
barkerja wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is far from "ruining macOS". System Settings was one of the few areas of the OS that hadn't been updated in forever. This was long overdue.

Just because it hasn't been updated in forever doesn't mean it needs to be. I get the feeling that people get bored with a design and expect a design refresh.

It hasn’t been updated and was really bad. It made sense back in 10.2 or so, but now every preference pane has tabs and buttons for modal dialogs and stuff. It needed about twice as many panes for each one to be manageable, and the icons palette does not scale that far (it’s actually quite confusing now on Monterrey, where all icons are very similar).

The new one is not perfect. For example, the on/off switches are ugly and the layout is far from great, and I like “preferences” better than “settings”, which makes more sense for an appliance than for something you adapt to your liking. But the old one was very much not “not broken”.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by barkerja »

timw4mail wrote: post #24
barkerja wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The previous System Settings UI was long overdue an update. While the new UI does very much resemble macOS, I don't see that as an issue, as it works very well in this context. At least, I believe it does, but I am no UI/UX expert.

Why? Did it function poorly? I'm a bit sick of the idea that something has to be changed because it hasn't for a while.

Over the years, more options were added to the system settings, and the old UI did not lend itself well to holding all those various options/configurations. It became a burden to find exactly what you were needing; not to mention it was beginning to look "out of place" with the rest of the OS.

So yes, it functioned poorly, while also looking terrible by today's standards.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by zdragnar »

duped wrote: post #61
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> excessive e-waste We're talking about the company that makes AirPods and forces Lightning Cables to exist. Half their product line is e-waste.

Lightning has been around longer than USB-C and they've changed their charging port once in 20 years. That's a better history than every other mobile device manufacturer. Their most recent cable is a bridge between the eventual USB-C transition without obsoleting everyone's existing peripherals and cables.

It is also a proprietary connector, which contributes to waste by virtue of not being able to reuse cables from other devices.

I can understand that they didn't want to have customers upset that a dodgy third party cable fried their expensive Apple equipment, but the transition to USB-C can't come soon enough IMHO.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by eludwig »

pram wrote: post #5

Anyone know if Wacom/Cintiq drivers are working on Ventura?

I can't say for the newest tablets, but I have an older Intuos 4 running on a Mac Studio and the Ventura installer completely killed the legacy Wacom driver during the install.

Thankfully, I uninstalled and reinstalled and everything seems fine now.

I realize that these old drivers won't work forever and that it's kind of a miracle that they still work! I assume that the code is intel running in rosetta.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by teilo »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Yes. Security. Limiting Ventura to machines with the T2 means substantially more secure hardware.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by duped »

zdragnar wrote: post #65
duped wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lightning has been around longer than USB-C and they've changed their charging port once in 20 years. That's a better history than every other mobile device manufacturer. Their most recent cable is a bridge between the eventual USB-C transition without obsoleting everyone's existing peripherals and cables.

It is also a proprietary connector, which contributes to waste by virtue of not being able to reuse cables from other devices. I can understand that they didn't want to have customers upset that a dodgy third party cable fried their expensive Apple equipment, but the transition to USB-C can't come soon enough IMHO.

I don't have this problem, all my devices have had lightning connectors for years. I don't plan or want to leave the ecosystem and my cables have lasted quite some time.

Conversion to USB-C will cause me to throw away all my cables.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by tinus_hn »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #35

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

Try running a major, modern Linux distribution on a 486.
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