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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down

Can a mac mini m1 run Windows?

Virtualized, yes. For most purposes, an M1/M2 Mac is an excellent platform for developing stuff for Windows ARM64.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

32gb on an m2 is probably going to cost you around $3000. I don't think 32gb on m1 is even possible.

Sure - if you need all 32GB for development work, it is a great deal. But, with a processor slower than a midrange modern Intel laptop, good luck using it to its full extent without feeling quite slow. So slow you might almost prefer a 16GB M1 Mac mini with swap for the rest despite the VM. Plus, if you read Microsoft documentation on Windows on ARM so far, Microsoft doesn't actually expect you to use an IDE on these…

VS .NET workload is advertised to be working already.

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It makes sense. The Mac Mini is what you get if you want to make a Mac or iOS app, but you want to keep your Windows or Linux system for daily use.

Are you sure? I don't want to go the anecdote route here but I know plenty of people who use Mac minis as daily driver desktop machines.

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I have mixed feelings about how successful this will be. The 32GB of RAM is really cool for the price - but 8cx Gen 3 is still no M1. It's still significantly slower than an 11th Gen laptop Core i5. Probably not super fun to develop on, even if serviceable - but considering nobody has cared about Windows on ARM to this point, why would you spend $599 to suddenly care about it, when WoA has far less than 1% of Windows…

Windows Store and Desktop Bridge work though. You are right about everything else.

Yes... and no. The Windows Store works way better now than it used to, back in 2015. Now it's finally serviceable, but it's still loaded with junk that makes the iOS App Store look well-maintained. Discoverability is still poor (better than it used to be), and the number of people actually using it also remains low. So... it works, but it was hardly the future of app distribution on Windows.

As for the Desktop Converter, it's in the same boat. For the first few years, all it was, was a pile of PowerShell scripts. No GUI, mediocre documentation, run a pile of scripts to package your app for a Store almost nobody uses. Also the command to package the app requires Windows 10 Pro and, like, 30 command-line arguments that had to be perfect in order to work. Now it has a GUI, and more people use the Store than before, but the Store has abandoned the need to use it and now allows just directly downloading unpackaged Exes, rendering it mostly pointless.

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If the ethernet port doesn't support multigigabit Ethernet, that is a shame. WiFi 6 is great, but we need more development, deployment, and support of multigigabit ethernet for corporate and enterprise customers!

There’s little point to such a feature for the intended use case, which is just to run some VMs to test builds on. At $600 with 32gb of ram multi-gig is asking a little much.

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It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches and from many products in general.

Microsoft has enough partners and regional offices because Office365 and Azure are the only worthy products for us in "shithole countries".

If Microsoft isn't intending on selling a lot of these devices, the cost of adding 1 or 2 African countries would be relatively small compared to the revenue they make from our regions.

I mean, expensive Macs came out, costing twice the shitty HP/Lenovo/Dell enterprise offerings with poor thermals and battery life. We bought them.

I would buy this device if it was for sale in my market, I see a benefit in testing my work on Windows ARM64.

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It makes sense. The Mac Mini is what you get if you want to make a Mac or iOS app, but you want to keep your Windows or Linux system for daily use.

There's a lot more use-cases though, of both systems.

If you want a "good" small computer and you already have a screen (or want to buy cheap ones) then these systems are fantastic.

Performance is completely fine for moderate-to-heavy workloads (assuming the heavy workloads are bursty) for the Mac mini, and hopefully this.

Both systems are what you would get if you didn't need a display or keyboard already, they're desktop replacements with a small footprint, and fantastic for the majority of computer workloads including a lot of development ones.

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post #63

It makes sense. The Mac Mini is what you get if you want to make a Mac or iOS app, but you want to keep your Windows or Linux system for daily use.

Are you sure? I don't want to go the anecdote route here but I know plenty of people who use Mac minis as daily driver desktop machines.

There's no conflict? It's a good daily driver for some, and a good second machine for others.

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"Microsoft tells Windows Central that the Windows Dev Kit 2023 is exclusive to Windows 11, with no official support for running other operating systems such as Linux or even Windows 10 on ARM. The product is designed for developers looking to optimize their apps for ARM on top of Windows 11."

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