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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Can anyone explain why??

She and her chancellor announced a series of tax cuts at a time when inflation is running at 10%. Even worse, they sidestepped the usual processes on fiscal responsibility and declined to explain how the tax cuts would be funded. The bonds market then panicked as a result, with the Bank of England having to step in and bail the market out to prevent gilts from entering a death spiral, which would have bankrupted pens…

Not all the tax cuts announced were bad or badly received.

Especially, I think that the cancellation of the rise in corporation tax was very welcome and in fact economists now say that the rise to 25% will make the recession deeper and longer (unsurprisingly, frankly).

The issue was that the other cuts, especially abolishing 45p income tax rate but frankly also the decrease of the basic rate, were not discussed, not funded (which is what spooked the markets since we already borrowed and spent like crazy during Covid), and frankly everyone agrees that they were useless. Of course abolishing the 45p rate now was also extremely bad symbolically (though in fairness it only exists since 2010-2012).

I think the plan has shifted from "pro-growth, nevermind inflation" to "a good recession will solve inflation". And a 'good recession' along with higher interest rates, the incoming budget spending cuts, and maybe tax increases is also going to be quite painful for the people.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Imagine rising to the ranks of prime minister of one of the most influential countries ever and for your legacy to be a head of lettuce out-survived your reign. That the Queen literally died the day after meeting you. Unbelievable.

This lady was for turning.

Unfortunately, if you want to shake things up and introduce even moderately radical policies, you better have the stamina and political will and skill to push them through and keep at it.

Britain's first female prime minister had that. The third one didn't...

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Imagine rising to the ranks of prime minister of one of the most influential countries ever and for your legacy to be a head of lettuce out-survived your reign. That the Queen literally died the day after meeting you. Unbelievable.

Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

if you’re talented why would you ever go into politics or work as a civil servant?

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Imagine rising to the ranks of prime minister of one of the most influential countries ever and for your legacy to be a head of lettuce out-survived your reign. That the Queen literally died the day after meeting you. Unbelievable.

Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

It's not surprising though, who would really want to go into politics, in a country where no matter what you do, you'll have almost half the populace hating you? Anyone who has the skills to do well in politics could do well in business and lead a better, more private, more rewarded life. And I think that's exactly what happens.

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Don't be rude Your question is still too vague to answer. Obviously some mini-budgets would have caused the markets to react the same way and others wouldn't. I genuinely have no idea what you're asking but I'm now not sticking around to find out.

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Imagine rising to the ranks of prime minister of one of the most influential countries ever and for your legacy to be a head of lettuce out-survived your reign. That the Queen literally died the day after meeting you. Unbelievable.

Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

It would be a mistake to think those people "dumb", IMO. Worst of the worst, possible/probable, but even the bubbliest of ding-dongs in pop culture did not get to their positions by being "dumb". The narrative is designed for deception to garner their objective: sales, votes, distraction, etc...

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

if you’re talented why would you ever go into politics or work as a civil servant?

It's an extension of "if you can't, teach" I think. Perhaps there's a second verse to it, like with "Jack of all trades, often better than master of none".

If you can't, teach, and if you can't do that, go into politics.

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