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NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Also look at the comparison to the Hubble image. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/st... Impressive to see the infrared spectrum seeing through all the background gas to the millions of stars.

Funny enough, if you showed someone these two images without additional context, I'd wager the majority would think that the left one was taken by a modern telescope in 2022 and the right one from an older one decades ago.

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Notice how every star twinkles the same way. I thought it was because of how the mirrors were arrayed. But this time the twinkles are different.

Do you mean the hexagonal diffusion spikes? How are they different this time? I think the JWST image is just rotated to better align with the Hubble image.

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Would it be possible for them to algorithmically remove the lens artifacts? I suppose just "anything with hexagonal symmetry gets deleted". They're kinda pretty but it's sad to think that this isn't what it would actually look like if you had really good infrared eyes.

If you removed them wouldn't you just see black areas where they were?

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What's up with all the "lens flares"? Is this a flaw in the imaging? Some real phenomenon? Or just an artistic license effect that has been added to increase visual appeal?

They're diffraction spikes from the design of the telescope. https://www.theverge.com/23220109/james-webb-space-telescope...

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Imagine the civilizations that live between these pillars.

I was wondering the same. I am worried for them that they might be situated in a permanently light polluted skies, that would be really sad for all the astronomers in that civilizations.

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What's up with all the "lens flares"? Is this a flaw in the imaging? Some real phenomenon? Or just an artistic license effect that has been added to increase visual appeal?

I was wondering that too. I'm not a photography expert, but i recall that lens flares are in the shape of the lens. Since the telescope uses those honeycomb lenses, the 6-sided flares seem to make sense. Happy to be corrected of course.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Webb observes "much further" into the IR [1]. 1. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/hu... (this image is from [2]) 2. https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hubble-vs-webb-on-the-s...

JWST is undeniably a superior and remarkable instrument, but there has been a bit of a trend I have noticed on social media - and this may just be my perception rather than reality - of comparing it with suboptimal alternatives rather than the best image we had prior to the JWST, often making the new images look dramatically better when in fact the improvements to the best images we already had are more subtle (perha…

I doubt it's anything nefarious. I think it's due to choosing comparisons based on popularity vs content.

Hubble's visible light Pillars of Creation image, for example, is super famous and instantly recognizable, but I'm not sure I would have known what I was looking at if the infrared version was used.

Also, different devices rarely have exactly the same usage and specifications. For example, Webb and Hubble have very different wavelength sensitivities, and this has tradeoffs in resolution and quality. In other words, the subjective image quality you get from the pictures may not tell the whole story of how valuable the data itself is.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting- If you look closely at the super bright objects, there are both hexagonally symmetric artifacts and cardinal up/down/left/right artifacts. I’d love to hear from someone with knowledge of how these arise and what optical tradeoffs prevent designs from eliminating them.

It's possible through deconvolution with a model of the "point spread function" aka PSF. There are techniques from radio astronomy (where interferometry necessitates some kind of Fourier basis model and deconvolution/imaging procedure) which has been extended to the optical domain. See for example: https://twitter.com/NGC3314/status/1582442367482634242?t=Eaa...

Isn't the PSF intensity-dependent? Can deconvolve high bit-depth data with a single filter? If not, aren't you limited by the distribution of intensities of the point sources present?

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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post #46

Also look at the comparison to the Hubble image. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/st... Impressive to see the infrared spectrum seeing through all the background gas to the millions of stars.

I think they’re millions of galaxies , which is even more amazing

The YouTube link [1] states that most of these are in fact stars. The gas from the nebula obscures the distant galaxies we're used to seeing.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__KBHIo_xs

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