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Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by nrb »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #20
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is not contributing to the core product USP and is pure money extraction mechanism. If company can add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO on less expensive tier. If company cannot add enough value to the core product, they use SSO and reachable customer support to justify more expensive subscription. This may deincentivize customers to buy more or reduce overall security if customer fails…

It makes more sense to them to add that other value to the non-enterprise plans or licensing to attract more users, then charge the businesses that MUST have the SSO or audit functionality, because they know enterprise will pay it without blinking an eye.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Nullabillity »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #57
Nullabillity wrote: post #51

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Imagine you go to a supermarket and see the same brand carry two tiers of eggs: "Eggs" and "Salmonella-free Eggs". Even if you could easily afford the salmonella-free eggs, the mere fact that they are willing to sell salmonella eggs at all says a lot about how many shits they give about food safety. SSO isn't a premium or differentiator feature, it's table stakes.

> SSO isn't a premium or differentiator feature, it's table stakes. Not for B2C, hobby projects, very small businesses. That's why it's great as a differentiator: because it separates the wheat from the chaff. And is often non-trivial as the number of integrations grows. Hence the SSO middleware market.

> Not for B2C, hobby projects, very small businesses.

OpenID and OIDC would beg to differ.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by eurasiantiger »

Spivak wrote: post #26
ivan_gammel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO is not contributing to the core product USP and is pure money extraction mechanism. If company can add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO on less expensive tier. If company cannot add enough value to the core product, they use SSO and reachable customer support to justify more expensive subscription. This may deincentivize customers to buy more or reduce overall security if customer fails…

> and is pure money extraction mechanism Yes, you act like this is a bad thing. You hold back and charge for the features customers want enough to pay for. You’ve never noticed that whenever there’s a Free/Pro of an app the one feature you need is always on the Pro version? > add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO That really isn’t how it works. You find some small set of features that enterp…

The problem is that often the pro features are very nearly essential, like having more than one door in a car.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by anaganisk »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #43
skywhopper wrote: post #5

This is a ~15-30% increase. Truly wild. Meanwhile I can’t remember the last time one of the new features made my life easier.

Heck I only remember Docker _losing_ features over time. Docker machine, docker swarm, etc. all relegated to the dust bin despite filling useful roles.

Wut docker swan never went away, I used it everyday. It was a misleading blog post made by some tech journal, which blew docker-ee dropping swarm in favor of another orchestrator. Ce still has it.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by qbasic_forever »

anaganisk wrote: post #68
qbasic_forever wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heck I only remember Docker _losing_ features over time. Docker machine, docker swarm, etc. all relegated to the dust bin despite filling useful roles.

Wut docker swan never went away, I used it everyday. It was a misleading blog post made by some tech journal, which blew docker-ee dropping swarm in favor of another orchestrator. Ce still has it.

It still exists but there is zero development on it. They left it in a kind of half finished state imho with some pretty annoying gaps in the workflow around updating configs/secrets, one time tasks, etc. There's zero future or updates in its roadmap: https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/175

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by ivan_gammel »

nrb wrote: post #61
ivan_gammel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO is not contributing to the core product USP and is pure money extraction mechanism. If company can add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO on less expensive tier. If company cannot add enough value to the core product, they use SSO and reachable customer support to justify more expensive subscription. This may deincentivize customers to buy more or reduce overall security if customer fails…

It makes more sense to them to add that other value to the non-enterprise plans or licensing to attract more users, then charge the businesses that MUST have the SSO or audit functionality, because they know enterprise will pay it without blinking an eye.

It is a common misconception that SSO is useful only on enterprise scale and that companies where SSO and provisioning is crucial for security have huge IT budgets. Any scale-up still on the way to profitability needs it at few hundreds of employees and it’s really hard to justify 100k budget for it. Couple junior admins for provisioning and accepted and misunderstood risk of credentials explosion look more attractive than tripling the bills for every subscription. Who suffers? Customer who is exposed to cybersecurity risks.
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