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No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by grnmamba »

kuschku wrote: post #42
mnd999 wrote: post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

It's normal for event organizers to still be careful and limit and/or cancel events. There's little government action on this nowadays (although there might be some more enforcement this winter). Germany is (sadly) not running a China-style Zero Covid plan. Especially considering the chaos congress was, even before covid, known for the "hacker pest", a type of flu that pretty much every attendee would contract due to…

. Germany is (sadly) not running a China-style Zero Covid plan.

Assuming sarcasm

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by riedel »

qwertox wrote: post #32
mnd999 wrote: post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

No, it is not normal. CCC is being proactive in that they believe that there is a chance of having the same problems as in the last congress, and they want to avoid this, because volunteers are more hesitant to get involved in a risky situation compared to employees.

It is quite common still to go virtual e.g. in the academic community and in any place where there are no commercial consideration or loss of money associated. (Just had the discussion today to move virtual because everyone else does as well)

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by Defitio »

Fnoord wrote: post #33
avian wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at a conference with around 1000 attendees in Germany this summer. The organizers put out a lot of recommendations for visitors regarding Covid (wear masks, be vaccinated, test yourself before and after the event, etc.), but none could be enforced on site since there was no legal basis for it. The result was that precautions were largely ignored by everyone at the event. The aftermath was that the entira orga t…

> (wear masks, be vaccinated, test yourself before and after the event, etc.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > The result was that precautions were largely ignored by everyone at the event. You don't know if the attendees were vaccinated. You don't know if/how they tested. When I got vaccinated, and also when there wasn't a wave, I got more lax. It requires focus and attention span to follow the precautions. Except for vaccination. T…

It's much harder to get COVID through eyes than the nose

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by michaelt »

lxgr wrote: post #7
formerly_proven wrote: post #4

I feel like it may have been a better idea to move the congress to some time in the summer, because public health restrictions in the winter don't seem to go away. We've had vaccines since early 2021, and the 2021 winter still had restrictions, now we're two years down the road and looking at another wave and another restricted winter. I don't see how it's going to be substantially different for the 2023 winter unles…

> COVID kills itself through evolution Doesn‘t evolution work the other way around?

Presumably he means "the dominant strains become more virulent but less lethal, leaving them like colds and flu"

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by Defitio »

turing_complete wrote: post #59

Weird decision. I am in Germany and no one cares about Covid anymore. I don't think we will have super strict covid measures this winter.

I'm German too and at least here in Munich you still have to wear masks in lots of settings.

Public transport, doctors office, in my work office etc.

And the discussion around Oktoberfest was quite often in the media.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'no one cares about COVID anymore'.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by michaelt »

DocTomoe wrote: post #10
formerly_proven wrote: post #4

I feel like it may have been a better idea to move the congress to some time in the summer, because public health restrictions in the winter don't seem to go away. We've had vaccines since early 2021, and the 2021 winter still had restrictions, now we're two years down the road and looking at another wave and another restricted winter. I don't see how it's going to be substantially different for the 2023 winter unles…

Summer is not a good time for a Congress, for large event venues like congress centers tend to be fully booked by then. Which leaves camps - but not everyone loves the idea of camping, and then you got the weather gods to sacrifice to (I vividly remember the thunderstorm evacuation...). Given that virtually every other country in the world seems to have accepted that Covid will be here to stay, Germans will eventuall…

> large event venues like congress centers tend to be fully booked by then

Isn't that offset by university summer holidays, providing lots of idle lecture halls and student accommodation?

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by Defitio »

albntomat0 wrote: post #9
eimrine wrote: post #2

What is 37c3? I have only figured up that c3 is "Chaos Communication Congress".

It’s a yearly computer security conference, similar to Defcon and Blackhat. 37 means it would have been the 37th running of the conference.

While similar also totally different: it also contains political messages and less security focused but technical talks also.

Food hacking or 3D printing also.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by alexb_ »

Semaphor wrote: post #37
rjzzleep wrote: post #23

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Tags are extremely useful for people who want to ignore arguments based solely on who is making them. I really am not a fan of how popular they are getting.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by Longhanks »

turing_complete wrote: post #59

Weird decision. I am in Germany and no one cares about Covid anymore. I don't think we will have super strict covid measures this winter.

"No super strict measures" == "no one cares anymore", eh? Boarding public transport, trains, busses and so on still requires wearing a mask. I care for covid for as long as governments think half-assed restrictions for the masses are required (or avoid Germany, for that matter).

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by wink »

Defitio wrote: post #65
turing_complete wrote: post #59

Weird decision. I am in Germany and no one cares about Covid anymore. I don't think we will have super strict covid measures this winter.

I'm German too and at least here in Munich you still have to wear masks in lots of settings. Public transport, doctors office, in my work office etc. And the discussion around Oktoberfest was quite often in the media. I'm not sure what you mean by 'no one cares about COVID anymore'.

Mask usage has gone down to... I'd say 20-30% in the supermarkets I frequent, but I don't think it's completely wrong with the implied exaggeration for effect.
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