Still confused. Is Fleet to IntelliJ as VS.Code is to Visual Studio?
Better. It's like a VS.Code that you can turn into a Visual Studio (if needed) within the same application.
JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The main difference between VS Code and the various JetBrains IDEs is that for VS Code, you have to find and install the relevant plugins for your use case yourself, whereas the various JetBrains IDEs tend to work out of the box (while still supporting plugins). That's usually the difference between most free/open source solutions and commercial software: you can do mostly the same with the open source alternative, y…
Because you do it only once and can use it in any other company you work. It's a highly portable tool for free. What are the chances that your next employer will pay for a JB license?
> Because you do it only once
Not really though. Extensions are frequently deprecated or outdated, need to switch to new alternative, don't play nice together, etc.
Anyway, there's no need to advocate for vscode, it's not an underdog. I imagine everyone here has already formed their opinion and tried JB IDEs, vscode, and other tools, and probably make use of all of them somewhere in their workflow.
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#63This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…
> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?".
This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1]
1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refactor. Move code around. Use suggestions. It's leaps and bounds ahead of VSCode
2. Open settings, navigate to plugins, type in Prettier. Oh look, there's the plugin. An official plugin from JetBrains
Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
#64I'm sure this is great for enterprises but for me, a single developer on a local machine, what benefits does Fleet bring?
Probably not that much if you are not looking forward to a remote development:
- new UI (they couldn't change it in any meaningful way without breaking workflows, but with a new IDE there are no existing workflows)
- single IDE for all languages (it was possible for most of them with IJ ultimate, but for e.g. Python the experience was slightly worse than with PyCharm)
Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because you do it only once and can use it in any other company you work. It's a highly portable tool for free. What are the chances that your next employer will pay for a JB license?
Honestly, it is basically about a 100% chance that the next employer will pay for JB. I couldn’t imagine an employer refusing to pay $120/yr for a JB license for an employee they are already paying $180,000/yr.
It's more than $120/year for an employee. https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...
Reduced pricing in year 2 and 3, but up front it's $600/year.
And... while someone's base pay may be a lot, these sorts of 'extras' might come from a different budget. And when there are a dozen services you're paying $20-$50/month/seat for, I know some managers start to scrutinize things a bit more. "Can't you just use the free version like other people do?"
Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
#66This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…
I’m pretty sure the verification is going to just be the normal jetbrains license verification service stuff. Since if anything I use has been shut down or offline for about that long I notice it phoning home to check my account license.
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#67> Fleet is an opportunity for us to provide a different user experience for developers Given they're presumably spending a lot on this development, it would be useful to give a bit more detail than this. What is different?
It's free to download and try (well... it's in my 'toolbox').
Comment I made to a friend earlier... Loads relatively quick. On par with or slightly faster than vscode on my M1. Very 'project unaware' up front, which may be OK for some uses. Might be a step up from vim for one-off changes. Collab seems easier/faster. No plugins(?). No UI to connect to other machines so far.
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> That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. Sounds like a nightmare! What do IT know about development to be picking tools?
A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company. Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.
And when your company starts doing that to developers it is time to dust off your resume and start looking for something better. I get it that these companies have real issues and their managers are multiple times smarter than me but I refuse to be put into a position where I cannot use the tools that I need to be productive.
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#69Rust support seems good and it's already integrated if you press the lightning button in the top right. Sadly no vim support so it's not really usable yet (at least for me).
Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
#70This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…
> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1] 1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refa…
>It's leaps and bounds ahead of VSCode
It's also paid vs free. For some reason, some people are very reluctant to pay for tools, even though they use them every day in their job.