Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why simulate the area under boring, dynamically unimportant areas? Butterflies... terrifying large, kilometer-scale butterflies.
And the butterflies are full of hate. https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2017-07-13
Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
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Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Maursault has thoroughly demonstrated their lack of serious thought or reading on the subject. But just for giggles and for the casual reader, the lattice spacing of silicon is 200,000 femtometer. So if you encode only one bit per cube of this fm cubic lattice, and you manage to encode this into single atoms of silicon, you need a volume of silicon 8,000,000,000,000,000 times larger than the system you model.
> I think Maursault has thoroughly demonstrated their lack of serious thought When you can't beat the argument, pull out the ad hominem fallacy and attack the man. Fallacy, of course, is faulty reasoning. > So if you encode only one bit per cube of this fm cubic lattice, and you manage to encode this into single atoms of silicon, you need a volume of silicon 8,000,000,000,000,000 times larger than the system you mode…
And your second paragraph is amply demonstrating this. I pointed out the physical implications of encoding your femtometer cubes at atomic scale. Nothing more. Encoding the Library of Congress has nothing to do with that. You are proposing to simulate at subatomic scale so obviously encoding it into atoms will make the simulation larger than the object similated.
To engage with your argument directly: You have none. All you repeat is that the past has seen technological breakthroughs, therefore the specific fantasy you propose makes sense. Non sequitur. That some breakthroughs have happened doesn't mean that any random breakthrough will happen. And your ideas are pushing hard against the limits of physics.
Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
A femtometer is a few orders of magnitude smaller than an atom. There are about 2*140 atoms in the atmosphere. You can't even count to that number, let alone do any fluid dynamics to that. I'm confident that we won't have femtometer scale simulations of the atmosphere before the sun becomes a red giant and swallows the earth.
> A femtometer is a few orders of magnitude smaller than an atom. Thank you for telling me what a femtometer is, as though my using the word wasn't a pretty good indicator I knew what it was. You mean a femtometer is a real thing? And I just made that up out of thin air to mean a meter stick to give to women. What are the odds? > There are about 2*140 atoms in the atmosphere. You can't even count to that number, let…
Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think Maursault has thoroughly demonstrated their lack of serious thought When you can't beat the argument, pull out the ad hominem fallacy and attack the man. Fallacy, of course, is faulty reasoning. > So if you encode only one bit per cube of this fm cubic lattice, and you manage to encode this into single atoms of silicon, you need a volume of silicon 8,000,000,000,000,000 times larger than the system you mode…
Pointing out that your thinking exhibits a distinct lack of understanding what you are talking about is not an ad hominem, it's a relevant statement of fact. And your second paragraph is amply demonstrating this. I pointed out the physical implications of encoding your femtometer cubes at atomic scale. Nothing more. Encoding the Library of Congress has nothing to do with that. You are proposing to simulate at subatom…
Incorrect. Any statement concerning the arguer and ignoring their argument is ad hominem and fallacious argument.
> And your second paragraph is amply demonstrating this.
Incorrect and a tu quoque argument. I did not address you, personally, but only your argument, and if my use of "you" is confusing, it is the royal you, "you all," and I may as well have used "we."
> I pointed out the physical implications of encoding your femtometer cubes at atomic scale.
Using current understanding of how it would have to be done and in denial that it might ever possibly be done more efficiently in the future.
> Nothing more.
>>> I think Maursault has thoroughly demonstrated their lack of serious thought
other than this ad hominem.
> You are proposing to simulate at subatomic scale so obviously encoding it into atoms will make the simulation larger than the object similated.
and this straw man
> To engage with your argument directly: You have none.
but wait while you prove yourself wrong,
> All you repeat is that the past has seen technological breakthroughs,
Yes, my argument is that technology advances, and since it has always done so, my crazy idea is that it will keep on doing so. Though it is possible technology has stopped advancing, I think it is unlikely.
> therefore the specific fantasy you propose makes sense. Non sequitur.
The specific fantasy is your straw man, and I drew no conclusions, those are yours. Frankly, my first comment was a joke and not meant to be taken literally, and I only intended to argue against someone else's idea that increasing simulation resolution is not the future of weather modeling, and you're not the only one that got tripped up by my use of femtometer. Regardless, I still see it as possible territory, and anyone else not being able to conceive of how does not mean it is impossible, only that we can't conceive it, just like Bill Gates, not a stupid man, was unable to conceive of anyone needing more than 64KB of RAM, so you also are unable to conceive of how something that would require incredible, inconceivable advances in technology to achieve, and yet, within the next 5 years modern medicine will advance further than it has in all the years before, that's just how it is, and students of the history of technology know this the same way you know how many femtometers there are in silicon's lattice spacing. What you seem to be unable to do is understand there are things we don't understand, and in physics, a good example of this is dark matter, which for some reason we haven't figured out a way to detect it, and it is so similar to the luminiferous ether in this regard, that only students of the history of science suspect that it might be bullshit, while every scientific mind is convinced it exists, just like the luminiferous ether in 1886.
> That some breakthroughs have happened doesn't mean that any random breakthrough will happen. And your ideas are pushing hard against the limits of physics.
As far as you or anyone else knows, today. But we don't know the future, and we never have. This is not my proof that this will occur, only that we don't know.
Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#65Being curious about the implementation language. Viewing the code is not easy. If you guess Fortran, you might be right: (different ICON Project) "The infrastructure, ICON-Land, for this ICON-A land component has been newly designed in a Fortran2008 object-oriented, modular, and flexible way." https://mpimet.mpg.de/fileadmin/publikationen/Reports/WEB_Bz... Fortran alive and kicking: https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-…
Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#66Being curious about the implementation language. Viewing the code is not easy. If you guess Fortran, you might be right: (different ICON Project) "The infrastructure, ICON-Land, for this ICON-A land component has been newly designed in a Fortran2008 object-oriented, modular, and flexible way." https://mpimet.mpg.de/fileadmin/publikationen/Reports/WEB_Bz... Fortran alive and kicking: https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-…
Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#67Being curious about the implementation language. Viewing the code is not easy. If you guess Fortran, you might be right: (different ICON Project) "The infrastructure, ICON-Land, for this ICON-A land component has been newly designed in a Fortran2008 object-oriented, modular, and flexible way." https://mpimet.mpg.de/fileadmin/publikationen/Reports/WEB_Bz... Fortran alive and kicking: https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-…
I had hoped for Julia.
Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A femtometer is a few orders of magnitude smaller than an atom. Thank you for telling me what a femtometer is, as though my using the word wasn't a pretty good indicator I knew what it was. You mean a femtometer is a real thing? And I just made that up out of thin air to mean a meter stick to give to women. What are the odds? > There are about 2*140 atoms in the atmosphere. You can't even count to that number, let…
Maybe read https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9908043.pdf before you think about computers operating on 2*140 objects and try to be less aggressive in your comments.
user@decadeoldcomputer:~$ echo 2^140 |bc
1393796574908163946345982392040522594123776
Maybe try to ignore who is saying what, and focus only on what was said.Re: Technical milestone reached: global earth system simulations with 1.2 km resoln
#69How does such a simulation work? Eg how do hou predict the temperature at x,y? Is it ground type, water, sand?Altitude? Neighboring values thereof? What are the inputs? Do you give it a starting point and apply it to a bunch of elements like some giant automata like game of life? Some kind of finite element analysis thing? So many questions.
giant partial differential equations