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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by layer8 »

Gigachad wrote: post #59
layer8 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I can explain to my grandma that she needs a cable with green and orange rings. Much easier than “look for 20 Gbps with 60 watts”.

Grandma still doesn’t know that it’s ok to get the one with blue and orange rings though.

Right, but it’s still easier to explain “either green or blue”, and the colors are in rainbow order for a reason.

It’s not just for grandma, most everyone would have an easier time remembering the “working” or “fast” colors than having to think about Gbps or watts, myself included.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by Bellend »

layer8 wrote: post #35
Bellend wrote: post #32

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No in my view. USB should be USB. That rectangle thing you poke into a port somewhere. Not just on chargers, motherboards or literally aircraft and cars. If it's not that. Call it something else. LEET, PHAT, BIGPORT. I really don't understand. Universal Serial Bus... in 10 different formats make's it no longer universal.

USB should be retronymed to Unpredictable Serial Bus.

This made me laugh and brought me to "Unknown Serial Bus"

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by layer8 »

Bellend wrote: post #60
layer8 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I can explain to my grandma that she needs a cable with green and orange rings. Much easier than “look for 20 Gbps with 60 watts”.

Assuming you know she needs green and orange rings from the device she bought on amazon last week?

Once the color system is established, I would expect device packaging and/or manuals to indicate the compatible colors.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by cududa »

jefftk wrote: post #50
cududa wrote: post #48

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Honestly I'd prefer that! Have fried two devices using the wrong damn cable/ charger. Sure the device should have had better power IC's etc to prevent anything from happening when I plugged in the wrong one, but still, they all look the damn same!

USB does mean that already! If you have two spec-compliant devices, connecting them with a USB cable should never cause one to get fried.

But that's not how it actually goes. Many devices aren't actually spec compliant

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by [deleted] »

layer8 wrote: post #53
Bellend wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are moving the format from words to colour as a solution? I need a USB cable Bellend... "Oh, what color?".

Yes. I can explain to my grandma that she needs a cable with green and orange rings. Much easier than “look for 20 Gbps with 60 watts”.

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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by Bellend »

layer8 wrote: post #63
Bellend wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you know she needs green and orange rings from the device she bought on amazon last week?

Once the color system is established, I would expect device packaging and/or manuals to indicate the compatible colors.

But why are you defending it with novel solutions and colour grading schemes for something which could simply not be named the same thing because it isn't the same thing?

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by CoastalCoder »

dwaite wrote: post #17
theandrewbailey wrote: post #2

This wouldn't be necessary if Big USB had better versioning numbers to begin with. They're right that customers shouldn't see "USB4 Gen whatever x LOL", but it shouldn't be a name underneath, either.

The problem is that techs push for branding to be things like a spec semantic version, but specs often just define options such that vendors would implement them in an interoperable way - while profiles are what define and test interoperability against mandatory feature sets. Spec lines like USB 3.x and HDMI 2.x are meant to be interoperable sets of ever-increasing options, not an upward climb of mandatory minimum ca…

Are there jurisdictions in which manufacturers could be sued for fraud if they knowingly make false claims about USB compatibility?

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by layer8 »

Bellend wrote: post #67
layer8 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once the color system is established, I would expect device packaging and/or manuals to indicate the compatible colors.

But why are you defending it with novel solutions and colour grading schemes for something which could simply not be named the same thing because it isn't the same thing?

You can interpret the colors as naming. I mean, it’s similar with HDMI, DisplayPort, Bluetooth, Wifi, etc., they all regularly get new variants with new capabilities and compatibility restrictions. Naming each version something entirely different doesn’t solve the compatibility problem. It’s like saying HTTP/3 shouldn’t be called HTTP.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Post by NavinF »

cududa wrote: post #48
Bellend wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No in my view. USB should be USB. That rectangle thing you poke into a port somewhere. Not just on chargers, motherboards or literally aircraft and cars. If it's not that. Call it something else. LEET, PHAT, BIGPORT. I really don't understand. Universal Serial Bus... in 10 different formats make's it no longer universal.

Honestly I'd prefer that! Have fried two devices using the wrong damn cable/ charger. Sure the device should have had better power IC's etc to prevent anything from happening when I plugged in the wrong one, but still, they all look the damn same!

> fried two devices using the wrong damn cable/ charger

Doubt the USB-IF can do anything about that. Those chargers either don't use the USB logo or use it illegally without passing compliance testing. Don't buy from those sellers.

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