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Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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I believe we are almost at peak GUI. The endgame here is that all these crappy GUIs that are getting worse every year will be relegated to a role of being APIs for AI agents. Instead of clicking around and filling out forms and waiting for loading spinners all the time, we'll just tell a large language model what we want to do in English, and it will go off and screen-scrape a bunch of apps and websites, do all the c…

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Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

#62

I believe we are almost at peak GUI. The endgame here is that all these crappy GUIs that are getting worse every year will be relegated to a role of being APIs for AI agents. Instead of clicking around and filling out forms and waiting for loading spinners all the time, we'll just tell a large language model what we want to do in English, and it will go off and screen-scrape a bunch of apps and websites, do all the c…

> we'll just tell a large language model what we want to do in English

Language is an imprecise tool, it has inherent ambiguity. Language is also laborious and one dimensional (stream of bits over temporal dimension). A tool such as the one you describe would be extremely frustrating to use.

Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish my browser to save the full state of js app on every action firing which use to alter the state. No matter how much storage is needed for this approach.

Sounds like a fun way to go OOM :')

This data is not for RAM, it may be done using an HDD or even cloud. This data is not for reading but for storing only. I mean, the concept of browsing history was born when the HDDs used to have memory of a fruit fly and a price of an elephant, I really do not need headers only in my history because most of them become dead in 3-5 years. Wouldn't it great to read my 10-years old interactions with web or to save some big SPA for interacting with it later maybe when no online will be available?

Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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Not just load time, but "time to read content" has exploded. Once the webapp has downloaded and it can start doing REST like requests for the actual content, it also needs to start loading pop-ups and the "continue reading"-button, that can hide the content after it is loaded. So once all that is done, the user needs to click away cookie consent banner, newsletter sign-up and the continue reading button. And only now…

'Reader View' plugins for Chrome [1], and native for Safari help me a lot with this, cut out all the fat and you're left with only the meat.

Doesn't help with load times though, it would be an interesting exercise for such a plugin to only fetch the content, a la Lynx back in the day.

[1] https://add0n.com/chrome-reader-view.html

Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

#65

I believe we are almost at peak GUI. The endgame here is that all these crappy GUIs that are getting worse every year will be relegated to a role of being APIs for AI agents. Instead of clicking around and filling out forms and waiting for loading spinners all the time, we'll just tell a large language model what we want to do in English, and it will go off and screen-scrape a bunch of apps and websites, do all the c…

I have a web app that is essentially a full OS GUI in the browser. The load time in Chrome with state restoration is almost exactly 0.3 seconds, which includes asynchronous gathering of file system artifacts and rendering display thereof.

At the same many primarily text sites struggle, such as news and social media, struggle to load in 15 seconds.

My connection measures about 920mbps down so 15 seconds is really ridiculously slow. This is certainly not a technology problem evidenced by my own app that is doing so much more is such shorter time.

Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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Since I started using the Adguard dns - it is surprising how much faster everything is. But still there is too much cruft in the most common sites.

A startup could probably nuke reddit in a month if they just concentrate on performance and usability.

Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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In the past computers (incl. hard drives and CPUs) were orders of magnitude faster than the communication lines so it made sense to compress everything as hard as possible and cache that. Now I have a 10 Gbps line, a 1 Gbps network card (I don't feel like I need a faster one), a 200 Mbps SSD and the CPU often is near-100%-loaded.

Re: Despite faster broadband every year, web pages don't load any faster

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post #45

Not just load time, but "time to read content" has exploded. Once the webapp has downloaded and it can start doing REST like requests for the actual content, it also needs to start loading pop-ups and the "continue reading"-button, that can hide the content after it is loaded. So once all that is done, the user needs to click away cookie consent banner, newsletter sign-up and the continue reading button. And only now…

What's the point of "continue reading"? Why not just show the full thing immediately?

In theory on a list of stories this would give you the excerpt and help you scan the list for interesting pieces.

In practice if editors don’t write excerpts, this is the first paragraph, and if there are no other stories, well it’s a measurement of engagement at that point.

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