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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by darkwizard42 »

typon wrote: post #38
darkwizard42 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a probably safe comparison is Ironmans or Ultramarathons (100 milers go for 17-18 hours for the top finishers). Usually you have to put in a huge amount of carbs per hour (50-80g/hr) and a high amount of calories (250-400 cal/hr). Hydration is obviously also very important and getting sodium will be key (1000mg/hr). Outside of that you can generally limit your body's usage of fat stores though at this length and t…

I wonder if losing weight over the course of the run itself means that it got easier for him to move near the end (of course offset by the tiredness/fatigue) - I wonder if the effect did slightly cancel out?

I wouldn't think it would be helpful to lose weight, the issue really is that turning fat stores into calories is quite slow (for how many calories he is consuming) and it can't be relied on as a source of energy so you just end up more tired I think.

You need some amount of weight for muscle to push your body forward and I don't know that there is a big aerodynamic or energy advantage to sacrificing weight for that.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by MerelyMortal »

lake_vincent wrote: post #42
manholio wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could safely assume he drank and ate some substances during this event.

The guy was clearly juiced up on dihydrogen monoxide.

I can't believe the run ogranizers allowed him to use DHMO (dihydrogen monoxide), it's a very deadly substance if one isn't careful.

There's even a website dedicated to how devistating it is:

https://www.dhmo.org

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by darkwizard42 »

Accacin wrote: post #54
darkwizard42 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a probably safe comparison is Ironmans or Ultramarathons (100 milers go for 17-18 hours for the top finishers). Usually you have to put in a huge amount of carbs per hour (50-80g/hr) and a high amount of calories (250-400 cal/hr). Hydration is obviously also very important and getting sodium will be key (1000mg/hr). Outside of that you can generally limit your body's usage of fat stores though at this length and t…

It's very hard to comsume 600 calories an hour whilst long distance running. A good thing to aim for is 200 calories as that's probably about the max your body can digest whilst running. However, this guy is clearly superhuman so who knows :D

I had the estimate at 400 calories in my post (which is on the high end for sure), which is what I know some Ultraman and ultramarathoners aim for in at least the first half or bike legs of their race. I believe 200 is enough for amateur runners, but I know professionals really load up since the calories from carbs are definitely more efficiently utilized than fat stores.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by folli »

milansuk wrote: post #57
ryannevius wrote: post #20

Aleksandr's training is public on his Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/26934035 Something to remember is that this is his pace _after_ pit stops, so his actual running pace was faster. Also notable is that this course was kind of terrible, with four 90 degree turns and three 180 degree turns each lap for 209 laps. There's little doubt that he could run > 200 miles on a course with fewer turns.

I downloaded .gpx of the run and it's 6.7MB. He started with 4min/km pace, held it for 130km(9 hours) and then He "slowed down" almost linearly to 5min/km when he finished.

Where did you get the GPX file from?

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by darkwizard42 »

cfj wrote: post #41
jordanmoconnor wrote: post #21

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Someone on Twitter calculated about 55,000 calories burned. Not sure if he had things to consume while running - but 8 - 10 lbs of fat burned in one day is wild to think about.

That seems way too high. A rough ballpark of energy expenditure while running is 1000 kcal per hour. Strava has the activity at 16,751 kcal.

Dang, that would be SO impressive... <1000 calories an hour would mean he is running SUPER efficiently from a body perspective, but of course, with the right hydration, nutrition, and temperature it is all possible to burn less calories.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by zecaurubu »

BurningFrog wrote: post #19
dmos62 wrote: post #5

I've started running and an unexpected challenge is boredom. The running is challenging as is, but doing it for ~1h30m has been, for me, well, tedious. I guess that's a byproduct of always being within arm's reach of a phone.

That's why I can't do running. I can't get over the fact that it's a painful way to get from A to A. Some optimizing party of me is always screaming WE COULD JUST HAVE STAYED AT A! Now, if they're is a ball to chase and a game to win, I can run until I fall over...

I'm the same, but I found out I really like rucking (weighted marches). Grab a backpack, put some weight on it, and take a walk around your neighborhood while listening to a good podcast. Currently I walk 4-5km with a 14kg backpack, 3-4x a week. Some more details here: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/the-be...

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by js2 »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #17
joelrunyon wrote: post #4

This type of distance / pace is hard for some people to even grasp. This line helps sum it up nicely: > That’s 7:15 per mile or 4:30 per kilometer for 24 straight hours. Incredible

I can't even imagine. I'm gassed at that pace after a couple of KM.

I have a 1:28 half-marathon PR, a 3:07 marathon PR, I've twice run 100 miles in under 24 hours, and I can't imagine even more.

That said, the marathon WR is 2:01:39 which is 4:38.39/mile (2:52.98/km). So Sorokin is running about 55% slower than that, or what would be considered an easy pace for an elite marathoner. AFAIK, we have yet to see an elite marathoner transition to ultras. However, there are quite a few elite ultra-marathoners who run marathons. The one I'm most familiar with is Michael Wardian:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wardian

He's run both a 2:17:49 marathon and finished 15th as Western States (19:32:07).

And to be clear: I'm not diminishing Sorokin's amazing accomplishment here. I've run a 24 hour race. I got to 105 miles. I'm just noting what the best in the world are capable of at different distances.

Humans are amazingly adaptable. I'm reminded of Howard Schatz’s Athlete series of photographs:

https://www.boredpanda.com/athlete-body-types-comparison-how...

https://howardschatz.com/human-body/athletes/

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by milansuk »

folli wrote: post #65
milansuk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downloaded .gpx of the run and it's 6.7MB. He started with 4min/km pace, held it for 130km(9 hours) and then He "slowed down" almost linearly to 5min/km when he finished.

Where did you get the GPX file from?

You have to login. Then on map there is "GPX" button.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by alar44 »

sz4kerto wrote: post #25
dmos62 wrote: post #5

I've started running and an unexpected challenge is boredom. The running is challenging as is, but doing it for ~1h30m has been, for me, well, tedious. I guess that's a byproduct of always being within arm's reach of a phone.

This is one of the major benefits of LSD (long, slow, distance) running, especially for people who have (a slight) ADHD (like me). It allows you to have solitude. I can't sit down and think quietly for an hour, because I .. just can't cope with the lack of stimuli. Running provides some baseline stimulus at least (plus I always set a specific goal, either a distance or a time goal so that I don't give it up), so I ju…

Yeah that's why I MDMA (mid distance medium acceleration) I get the same benefits.
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