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A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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I mean, do we believe any of this? An 8 year old isn’t running a business and selling to restaurants in a different state. No business would purchase from an 8 year, no business would ship goods from an 8 year old, no bank gives a loan to a 9 year old. The list goes on and on. Incredibly sad that a child has died, but this reads as pure fantasy.

What's weird to me is that somebody would have such a hard time accepting verifiable facts about a gifted outlier who happens to be remarkably young but also reads Hacker News on a Sunday night, presumably because they see themselves as someone who is involved in the tech/startup economy.

The whole reason that there's a story here is because it's exceptional. If he hadn't been an outlier, there would be no story. There's no conspiracy to embarass your younger self, here.

I bought my first hard drive, drums and television with profits from contract software development when I was 10. I was on my first (non-profit) board of directors when I was 14, and I got a small business loan - co-signed by my father - when I was 15.

None of this is as rare as you so righteously think. The key detail you may have glossed over is that while his parents are disabled, he was clearly very proactive about recruiting mentors and advisors online. He got really great at doing two things: teaching himself new things as they are needed, and developing a network of people who he could ask for help and advice. It's a winning strategy.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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“Don’t ever take ‘can’t’ as the answer unless you’ve verified that it is against the law or against the powers of physics,” Kevin wrote in his memoir. What a human. Such a great balance of a healthy brain and the confidence to trust it.

Interestingly, this sounds like a paraphrase of an Elon/SpaceX quote, something like "if you want to win an argument, you better have Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein on your side."

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The preponderance of evidence suggests that schooling has essentially zero impact on adult outcomes until around middle/high school. Most public schools are clearly more abusive than simply not subjecting your children to the standard industrial schooling regimen.

“ Most public schools are clearly more abusive than simply not subjecting your children to the standard industrial schooling regimen.” This has not been my experience at all.

It was mine. Do we cancel each other out?

I’ve found I don’t typically use my experience specifically on school because it just can’t have been the norm.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ Most public schools are clearly more abusive than simply not subjecting your children to the standard industrial schooling regimen.” This has not been my experience at all.

It was mine. Do we cancel each other out? I’ve found I don’t typically use my experience specifically on school because it just can’t have been the norm.

The experience of schooling varies so incredibly much depending on where you lived and when you attended that all of these conversations are kind of... pointless to have with anonymous people (probably) far away.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only couldn't swim, wasn't wearing a life jacket.

Is it really possible no one instructed them to wear life jackets? Or is it more likely he typically wanted to prove everyone wrong? Obedience is taught to instill discipline. Sounds like Kevin already had plenty of discipline, yet apparently self-taught himself to never listen to anyone. Sounds like a combination of both Daedalus and Icarus.

I'm guessing its like bike helmets. I never see kids wearing bike helmets. It's not cool.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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20 years ago Mexico was much different than it is now; 30 years even more so.

30 years ago in central Texas we visited northern Mexico many, many times a year. 20 years ago we thought it was funny other people were starting to be scared to do so. 15 years ago we stopped going. We haven't been back since. It's so weird that, from a central Texas perspective, we used to be a short drive from visiting another COUNTRY, which is now effectively a blank space on the map of the world around us. Ski w…

I mean it seems like the biggest change in this story is you. It’s true there’s more cartel stories than before I guess but if you wanted to go there you would go. I spent a week in Monterrey this year, it was lovely.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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post #14

A truly sad story.

Article did mention? "But on a hot day last June, at nearby Newcastle Reservoir, Kevin drowned in a kayaking accident at a friend’s birthday party." Article is worth reading. I think the title is pretty accurate, assuming the details are true.

  assuming the details are true
Consider the child's remarkable accomplishments, remarkable family situation, unusually young death, flakey sources (yes, including Weiss)...

It's less likely the story is true than that it's a GoFundMe scam.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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post #2

This story is especially clear and dramatic (and well documented) but I've often thought this happens in every generation: the people who lead (businesses and nations) when they are in their 40s and 50s are often people who boldly go out and discover the world while they are in their teens and 20s, and so they take on a bit more risk than the average citizen, and this includes physical risk (whether in travel or info…

This isn’t really true except for random edge cases. The people leading countries go to school and get law degrees. People leading business got college degrees or worked in business for decades. You can pull edge cases like Patagonia’s Yvon Chouinard, but even then he spent a lot of time in his 20s running his business.

Maybe it's true for remarkable people. Not true in general for "leaders".

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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post #2

This story is especially clear and dramatic (and well documented) but I've often thought this happens in every generation: the people who lead (businesses and nations) when they are in their 40s and 50s are often people who boldly go out and discover the world while they are in their teens and 20s, and so they take on a bit more risk than the average citizen, and this includes physical risk (whether in travel or info…

This is not true. What the people who "lead the world" have in common most often is coming from a very privileged background. The idea that they are all iconoclasts or inherently in some way "better" than other people is a myth the wealthy tell themselves.
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