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Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by anshorei »

dane-pgp wrote: post #31
icare_1er wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> the left, with its eternal desire to monitor what everyone says or even thinks. Would you say that the NSA is a left wing organization then?

No, but the opposition that the left once fronted to the NSA's surveillance has withered in the past ten years or so and (some) republicans have picked up the slack. Not too long ago the "war on terror" was considered to be the road to authoritarianism, now democrats are openly championing making it a new domestic war on terror. To those who opposed the war on terror from the beginning it's scary how quickly this opposition was abandoned by some once they could be the ones to wield it.

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Post by mjburgess »

dreen wrote: post #35

I wonder if marketers could start exploiting this. Get something obviously innocent banned in a stupid way by algo, then use the outrage effect for promotion. They already kinda did this with people destroying stuff of companies that made some statements, this seems like the next step.

Ghostbuster's 2016's supposed "anti-feminism " campaign is an example of this. It's very common and has been forever, since at least newspapers.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by prepend »

bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

The weirdest is the email message says they reviewed and upheld.

Is the review not human? Do they run it through the same algorithm a second time?

Do they lie about the review?

Is the reviewer so out of touch they don’t recognize real violence vs just the use of “beat?”

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Post by ls15 »

herbst wrote: post #42
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

I realize this was a weird time and masks have been a complicated topic. However: I advertised some masks my grandma has sewn on FB. It was ok, expansive clicks like always but ok. This was running for at least a week or two. But when I changed some text it triggered a new ad review and within no hour my account was banned. It didn't even took a hour to deny my appeal as well and my account was lost forever (without…

> This is the reason I completely ignore Facebook and all its platforms for whatever reason these days. I don't care if it could help my business, it's not worth the trouble.

That's basically my stance since 2004 when I first heard about them. I lost some opportunities, I guess, but it also allowed me to tell everyone how I feel about data privacy while keeping a straight face.

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Post by edwnj »

prvc wrote: post #52
edwnj wrote: post #43

I've been working with Alex for just over a year now. He’s never political, super nice guy, focused on creating beautiful art. This is a major blow to the team. If your not backed by Sony or Paramount, ads (especially in the first week) can be the deciding factor in whether you make it or not.. When he told me what happened, I refused to believe him "There is no way they banned you over blue eyes". Unlike Alex, I'm e…

> If your not backed by Sony or Paramount, ads (especially in the first week) can be the deciding factor in whether you make it or not.. Do you seriously believe it was Facebook that caused the film to fail?

Not fail. The jury is still out.

Independent films largely rely own word of mouth to gain momentum. But for word of mouth to work, you need critical mass.

This is where ads can be the difference maker. We wanted to reach Roy Scheider fans. Those people are not exactly the type of people who use TikTok and reply with words like "No Cap".

When you're an Independent filmmaker, you have to maximise the value out of every dollar and you have a short window of time (weeks) to make this work.

So when facebook bans you from advertising on fb & insta right before the release, its a major blow.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #7
thriftwy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come they get to keep money for the service not provided? Should be strictly illegal.

It probably is, but not all jurisdictions have a small claims court and even those that do, it can be quite cumbersome compared to the lost money

Small claims are designed to be quite easy, and almost free. (You might have to spend money on registered mail). Worth it for a gripe. I was prepared to do this for a hotel refund, where they were going to charge 20% cancellation fee where I saw that in local law, while there is no set max fee, it should be just to cover reasonable costs.

I looked into it and while a hassle it is on par with renewing your car insurance level of hassle (so some hassle, but doable, a "side project"). And worth it for the "stick it to the man" factor. In the end I got it almost all back by being nice, so no need.

In addition to small claims, there are credit card charge backs.

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Post by michaelmrose »

prepend wrote: post #63
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

The weirdest is the email message says they reviewed and upheld. Is the review not human? Do they run it through the same algorithm a second time? Do they lie about the review? Is the reviewer so out of touch they don’t recognize real violence vs just the use of “beat?”

It could well be that they are paid very little, the majority of reports are true positives, have a quota to make, and expect no consequence for false positives. If its outsourced they may have a bad grasp of the language as well.
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