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Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by Markoff »

superhuzza wrote: post #29
Markoff wrote: post #19

Meanigless study with only 21 babies, extremely small sample size to make some general statements. > Results showed that the most effective way to put a baby to sleep was to carry them and walk around for five minutes, sit and wait for five to eight minutes, then put them to bed. Also this is nice theory, we all know of course if you hold baby (and eventually walk) the baby can fall asleep, the problem is to put the…

1. It's an exploratory study which both confirms previous results and builds on them. Furthermore, a sample size of 21 is not too inherently small to draw conclusions - that would depend on the effect sizes between conditions... 2. The study is explicitly about whether or not the children stay asleep after the different proposed routines. This is one of the main points of the article and is directly addressed within:…

> Why comment with a critique if you didn't even have a cursory look at the paper, or even understand what the dependant variables are?

Because I am commenting on article posted on HN. No such information provided in linked article, nor is the study linked there.

> In this study, 9 of 26 (34.6%) sleeping infants awoke by 20 s after the laydown, while the remaining 17 infants stayed asleep.

Thanks for link to the study and thanks for proving me right with the quote. More than 1/3 of children waking up almost instantly within 20 seconds just confirms this is hardly usable and "best" way to put crying baby to sleep even with such small sample size. And if we had more data I'd expect most of the babies woke up shortly after that 20 seconds limit. I tried to look at the charts but they are difficult to read, since they don't provide normal table with times for all babies.

It's similar nonsense as road casualties, which are not comparable across countries since some countries count causalty as someone dying after car accident within 7 or 30 days and if you crash and lay in coma 31 days you are suddenly not road casualty anymore, same as here amusing 20 seconds threshold for success.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by mnsc »

kleiba wrote: post #53
mnsc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A throwaway troll account, great! But I'll bite. This has nothing to do with social justice but rather bad science due to the _fact_ that they eliminate 50% of the baby's caregivers in the research. What if the science showed that when the baby isn't hungry the baby stops crying sooner if being held close by the dad because the smell of tits leaking milk confuses them? edit: Also, the sample size of just 21 babies gi…

I'm not sure it's a troll account, I could very well imagine that parent is afraid that in the current climate, their opinion could get downvoted to hell. But you could be right.

Well I said troll because of the trolling behaviour. Using inflammatory/divisive wording about "judgements about social justice" is not constructive to the debate and I am properly downvoted because I fed the troll. It doesn't make it better that acknowledged that I fed the troll.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by koonsolo »

jiehong wrote: post #56
skc wrote: post #31

So I'm from Zambia and like in most black African cultures we carry our babies in swaddles across the back of the caregiver (like a backpack). [1] I'm not exaggerating when I say that right this minute I can't think of a single occasion where I've ever seen a baby crying while being carried like this and most are fast asleep while the caregiver goes about their business. [1] https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content…

Also much better than the version we see in Europe where people carry the baby on the front side for reasons that I can’t fathom…

I carried all of my kids on the front. It puts me more at ease when I can keep an eye on them, and I'm sure I don't bump them into stuff inside the house. However, it makes it more difficult if you want to work, like for example wash the dishes.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by lm2s »

was_a_dev wrote: post #42
surge wrote: post #33

This is already known data, you simulate the conditions of the womb and a baby in the 4th trimester (we're born early because of our big heads), will sleep easily. So swaddling, swaying and shhhing all simulate being in the womb where you hear white noise, are tightly confined and gently rocked or swayed by the mother's natural movement as she walks around, etc. I read about it with my own children and it worked, and…

At the extreme, do you think generating whitenoise from a phone would have the same effect?

Not an extreme. Pink noise works really well and brown noise to some extent. White noise is a bit harsh for our human ears.

The pink noise besides simulating the shushing also serves as sort of a noise blanket to make other sounds being made around the baby pop up less, sort of sound mantle.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by ryanisnan »

flappyeagle wrote: post #16
mupuff1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1700$ for a basket??

1700 for a quiet baby. You buy the holes not the drill

This is right. I am not interested in the basket at all. I'm interested in not being sleep deprived quite like I was the first time around.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by jmathai »

kajecounterhack wrote: post #32
jmathai wrote: post #26

We found swaddles with velcro to be really helpful for our kids to fall and stay asleep. We tried a few but the SwaddleMe's [1] worked the best. The baby would manage to work their arm out of the others we tried...and once their arm is out it is game over...their startle reflex wakes them up. Once they outgrow the swaddle, the Merlin Magic Sleepsuits [2] were amazing. Bonus...you can't stop laughing at how silly they…

Magic Merlin is awesome but it's for a pretty short duration and then you have to wean for sleep sacks right? That was my understanding at least, so we went right to a sleep sack and just bundled it with sleep training to avoid the extra step. But so many of our friends swear by the merlin.

We probably used the Magic Merlin for 3-6 months. We also switched to sleep sacks after.

Parenting is so much trial and error - our first hardly needed any assistance sleeping.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by jmathai »

domh wrote: post #50
mattlondon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 to some sort of "engineered swaddle" that restrains the arms effectively. We found "traditional" swaddles to be unreliable - once the arm/arms were out then it is only a matter of time before they hit themselves in the face with their arms, but swaddles with specific features to prevent the escape of the arms to work really well. We used one called Miracle Swaddle for both our kids. Just make sure you stop using s…

Also +1 to the Velcro swaddle. Swaddling with a regular piece of fabric is something I mastered in the hospital and then swiftly forgot as soon as we got home. The Velcro swaddle was a game changer. We transitioned to sleeping bags with arms out as soon as our baby could roll over, and he's still using those now at 14 months.

Our 14 month old twins still ask for their sleep sack/bag too.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by surge »

was_a_dev wrote: post #42
surge wrote: post #33

This is already known data, you simulate the conditions of the womb and a baby in the 4th trimester (we're born early because of our big heads), will sleep easily. So swaddling, swaying and shhhing all simulate being in the womb where you hear white noise, are tightly confined and gently rocked or swayed by the mother's natural movement as she walks around, etc. I read about it with my own children and it worked, and…

At the extreme, do you think generating whitenoise from a phone would have the same effect?

They sell white noise and whale noise baby products, many parents started using their phones or Echo/Home devices. So yes, anything with a speaker will work, and is likely closer to what you hear in the womb then what one's mouth can simulate. It also still works on adults. I regularly have a fan or white noise going when I sleep.

Re: Team led by Japanese researchers reveals best way to put crying baby to sleep

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Post by tucosan »

jmathai wrote: post #26

We found swaddles with velcro to be really helpful for our kids to fall and stay asleep. We tried a few but the SwaddleMe's [1] worked the best. The baby would manage to work their arm out of the others we tried...and once their arm is out it is game over...their startle reflex wakes them up. Once they outgrow the swaddle, the Merlin Magic Sleepsuits [2] were amazing. Bonus...you can't stop laughing at how silly they…

Bad advice. Swaddling might stop your baby crying but it leads to a bunch of unwanted side effects:

- increased risk of sudden infant death

- delayed development of motor skills

- 4x increased risk of respiratory infections

- increased risk of dysplasia

When babies are swaddled they quickly notice that no amount of squealing or crying changes their situation.

Our four month old moves a lot when she gets tired. I carry her around and let her shift and stir in my arms until she calms down. I won't block any of her movements. I won't hold her tight, but allow her to move freely in any direction she wants. From the back, to the side, to the belly and back. She looks around the room until she gets tired. Moving around helps, because changing visual focus tires babies and makes them fall asleep faster.

It's sometimes inconvenient to carry her around for an hour or so, but eventually she falls asleep. I take these moments as an opportunity to bond with her.

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