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Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by simandl »

UncleEntity wrote: post #44
0xrisk wrote: post #23

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part of our idea is that artists can help with labelling their own work

The same artists who have been pitching a fit about how the robots are coming for their jobs? Pretty sure they are trying to figure out a way their art can’t be used to train an AI and won’t be willingly participating in making it easier.

You might be surprised. We have almost as many opt-in requests as opt-outs since we announced this today.

We don't see this as binary in the long term. Maybe artists want to release art from a prior period, for example, but withhold their current series until they move to the next.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by p_hoep »

simandl wrote: post #61
UncleEntity wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same artists who have been pitching a fit about how the robots are coming for their jobs? Pretty sure they are trying to figure out a way their art can’t be used to train an AI and won’t be willingly participating in making it easier.

You might be surprised. We have almost as many opt-in requests as opt-outs since we announced this today. We don't see this as binary in the long term. Maybe artists want to release art from a prior period, for example, but withhold their current series until they move to the next.

I think we'll see people who want to post images of themselves in there as well. Like, being a 'playable character' you could prompt for to be in the artwork could be pretty fun.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by XorNot »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #51
XorNot wrote: post #48

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What intellectual property? Where in the Stable Diffusion model weights does your intellectual property exist?

The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

So you're trying to assert copyright on something which isn't a copy of something? Again, where in the neural weights does your original work live?

EDIT: Let's consider a simpler scenario - I take an MD5 sum of one of your photos, and then hash collide a an image from my phone camera till I find a match. Which part of this process is "stealing"?

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by freefruit »

gigel82 wrote: post #9

It's surprising how poorly labeled these images are; who is curating this collection? Can't they crowd-source a proper labeling project - I wonder how much better things like Stable Diffusion would be if its training would include correct, complete labels for the images. I'm sure lots of folks would willingly spend a few minutes here and there to aid with the labeling if it means they get to enjoy the model for free.

Seems it's related to what alt tags the images are using.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by hammyhavoc »

XorNot wrote: post #63
hammyhavoc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

So you're trying to assert copyright on something which isn't a copy of something? Again, where in the neural weights does your original work live? EDIT: Let's consider a simpler scenario - I take an MD5 sum of one of your photos, and then hash collide a an image from my phone camera till I find a match. Which part of this process is "stealing"?

The part where you used my work commercially.

Seeing as you like analogies: if you play music in a public building, you need a license even if you are selling coffee and not the music.

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Post by 0xf00ff00f »

XorNot wrote: post #63
hammyhavoc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

So you're trying to assert copyright on something which isn't a copy of something? Again, where in the neural weights does your original work live? EDIT: Let's consider a simpler scenario - I take an MD5 sum of one of your photos, and then hash collide a an image from my phone camera till I find a match. Which part of this process is "stealing"?

If I compress an image with JPEG, I won't get the exact same pixels values in the original image after decompressing because the compression is lossy, but I'm sure you'll agree that the original image is "there". How are NN weights different from the DCT coefficients in a JPEG file?

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by dQw4w9WgXcQ »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #51
XorNot wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What intellectual property? Where in the Stable Diffusion model weights does your intellectual property exist?

The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

Interesting, so you've given due credit and/or monetary compensation to every single photographer you've learned from along the way? Yea, thought so.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by hammyhavoc »

dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #67
hammyhavoc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

Interesting, so you've given due credit and/or monetary compensation to every single photographer you've learned from along the way? Yea, thought so.

I haven't learned from any photographers.

https://people.com/music/pharell-williams-robin-thicke-blurr...

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by swatcoder »

XorNot wrote: post #63
hammyhavoc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

So you're trying to assert copyright on something which isn't a copy of something? Again, where in the neural weights does your original work live? EDIT: Let's consider a simpler scenario - I take an MD5 sum of one of your photos, and then hash collide a an image from my phone camera till I find a match. Which part of this process is "stealing"?

They’re asserting copyright over their work.

The part they’re concerned about is where somebody uses their work as a reference for derivative works.

We can acknowledge that this is an unsettled legal question without pretending like there’s no such question for a creator to raise. This community works better when we give each other fair understanding.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by dQw4w9WgXcQ »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #68
dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, so you've given due credit and/or monetary compensation to every single photographer you've learned from along the way? Yea, thought so.

I haven't learned from any photographers. https://people.com/music/pharell-williams-robin-thicke-blurr...

I'm impressed, never looked at another photo, just emerged from a blank room taking pictures having never seen another photo before. Just knew photography from the womb and came out with camera in hand knowing exactly how to work it. You are the one man who never had to learn a thing or rely on someone else or their prior works for training and/or inspiration.
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