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The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by bombcar »

mindcrime wrote: post #7

Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid Courses to provide in-depth, structured learning experiences for viewers. Viewers who choose to buy a Course can watch the video ad-free and play it in the background. So you're cloning Udemy? Meh. Not much to be excited about so far. Finally, to help learners apply what they’ve learned, we’re introducing Quizzes — a new way for creators to help viewers te…

> Does anybody ever actually visit the "Community" tab of a channel?

Channels have community tabs?

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by jahewson »

eimrine wrote: post #17
mertd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How should the creators be rewarded for their effort?

More subscribers for increasing their revenue from other videos, maybe yt-premium or even some protection against infamous random ban because of needness to support learning materials.

> More subscribers for increasing their revenue from other videos

That’s not an answer as much as it’s moving the question.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by heartbreak »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Would you consider Daniel Naroditsky’s educational content to be clickbait? If not, that might be a decent middle ground to target.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by forbiddenvoid »

jahewson wrote: post #47
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem: Creators want to be paid more for their content (great content, good content, bad content, etc) Solution proposed by Google: Lets charge customers who view this content so that we can pay creators more without losing revenue. Solution proposed by Consumers: Lets give creators a larger share of youtube's profits. We're already paying for the service by offering our data, our youtube premium subscriptions, and…

But the new paid videos are ad-free, so the user would no longer be offering anything monetizable. A company offering free, ad-free video streaming does not turn a profit.

That's a pretty big assumption that offering this service would not result in these users also spending more time on other, non-education related content on YouTube that is monetized. There are also other ways to monetize the product.

I think that two things can both be true: creators should be paid for their work, commensurate with the value they provide, and learning should be free (or of negligible cost) to the person doing the learning. There are exceptions to the latter when there isn't a platform involved, like personalized tutoring or coaching, but in general.

YouTube can achieve both of those goals, and advertising is not the only solution. What bothers me most about this announcement is that they aren't doing anything _new_. This is basically a carbon copy of Udemy's value prop, leveraged by YT's existing massive scale. Other than the videos being hosted on YouTube, it doesn't do anything that other platforms haven't already been doing for years.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by 7speter »

towaway15463 wrote: post #24
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #5

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

As long as they offer both and not one or the other this should be ok. I’m hoping this allows creators to build more in depth courses consisting of a large number of videos. Right now I mostly have to go to Udemy et al for that sort of thing. Being able to preview some of a course on YouTube with ads and then buy the whole thing if I like it sounds like a win. I’ll reserve judgment until it launches though, it is an…

>Right now I mostly have to go to Udemy et al for that sort of thing.

So pretty much, with launching a model where viewers might pay, Youtube is launching a Udemy competitor, no?

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by thenerdhead »

Maybe just me, but I'm not really excited for established YouTubers to sell more stuff and expand their empires. It's already a winner-take-all game of attention.

The beauty of YouTube is finding like a retired professor who puts up their lectures on an account with a couple thousand subscribers.

It is not having a click-bait worthy thumbnail, over-produced video, and barely learning anything while being mindlessly entertained.

YouTube will kill many services in the process like skillshare, udemy, etc. They will continue to get bigger and bigger or this will fail miraculously.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Entinel »

sp332 wrote: post #43
Entinel wrote: post #27

I am affiliated with a few Youtubers from a wide variety of topics and the general gist I have gotten from all of them is that they don't want to charge for content nor they do really want to do sponsorships or Patreon. They just want their CPMs to not be absolute garbage like they used to be.

This says they're not putting ads on these videos though?

Yes? That doesn't contradict what I'm saying. Youtube isn't putting ads on the paid courses but that doesn't help most Youtubers. Youtubers that want to sell courses are already doing that on Udemy and Teachable. What Youtubers want is their CPM on their regular videos to not be in the toilet.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Pr0ject217 »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Would you mind sharing a link to your content? Thank you.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by forbiddenvoid »

ddlutz wrote: post #21

I'm surprised it's taken this long, honestly. Seeing other sites which in some ways just clone Youtubes functionality but are focused on education, where creators can make courses and sell them (Udemy for example), it just makes sense to me.

When you say 'clone Youtube's functionality' do you just mean host and play videos? That's a pretty narrow definition, and one that I don't think YouTube deserves to have a monopoly on.
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