Another example is Luanne from King of the Hill
Can you provide an example? She didn't end up all that different from when she stared. Just matured a bit thanks to her man.
Flanderization
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Re: Flanderization
#62There is a tendency for this to happen in real life with influencers. Certain aspects resonate with an audience and so they overemphasize them. https://gurwinder.substack.com/p/the-perils-of-audience-capt...
I watch an youtuber that makes videos about life in Japan and he mentioned recently about how this drives the direction of his videos against his will. Despite producing extremely high-quality videos, every video is accompanied by clickbait titles and the classic "=O" idiotic face thumbnail. The quality contrast between the cover and the video is immediately clear once you start watching the content.
He mentioned that he despises this with every inch of his being, but is forced to do so because YouTube's algorithm would dump the video otherwise.
Re: Flanderization
#63I don't know about TV Tropes "coining" the concept, I had already discussed this 5+ years ago wrt to computers and we even had a pitch for the "Flanders Threshold" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353106 I'd accept that Flanders Computing is an offshoot of the overall much-later-coined flanderization process.
'Flanderization' as a term was on TV Tropes as early as 2006:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060512061148/https://tvtropes....
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#64I don't know about TV Tropes "coining" the concept, I had already discussed this 5+ years ago wrt to computers and we even had a pitch for the "Flanders Threshold" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353106 I'd accept that Flanders Computing is an offshoot of the overall much-later-coined flanderization process.
'Flanderization' as a term was on TV Tropes as early as 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/20060512061148/https://tvtropes....
Well then, I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
Re: Flanderization
#65> Some works have consciously attempted to avoid flanderization, such as Rick and Morty.
I am not sure to phrase my disagreement with such a statement because Rick oscillates between a few crazy states but Jerry has been pretty one-dimensional for most of the show's life.
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#66This is one of those moments that makes me fall in love with the internet all over again. I've thought about this idea (without knowing there was a term for it!) wrt aging in real life. So many people seem to become increasingly caricature as they get older. The guy who likes woodworking and European travel becomes the embodiment of woodworking and European travel. It's all he talks about. His kids roll their eyes at…
Do you need to prevent it? I think it's related to optimal stopping / the secretary problem. In the beginning, you explore. Later, you exploit by doing more of the things you found fruitful.
Of you want to generalize a medel you need smaller batch sizes with more varied nature. Maybe that applies somehow to people?
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#67This applies to more than just cartoons. Look at Seinfeld. First 3 seasons, the characters were real, each w/ their own personalties, quirks, etc. By the final season, each character became so extreme, so one-dimentional in it's characterization and personalities it was entirely unwatchable (at the time) for me.
After Larry David left the show it went into a depressing tailspin. At least J. Seinfeld had the sense to mercifully kill it off before too long.
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#68This is one of those moments that makes me fall in love with the internet all over again. I've thought about this idea (without knowing there was a term for it!) wrt aging in real life. So many people seem to become increasingly caricature as they get older. The guy who likes woodworking and European travel becomes the embodiment of woodworking and European travel. It's all he talks about. His kids roll their eyes at…
Just spend a week on tvtropes.org and you'll instantly become a better writer I think.
It's not to say that tropes are bad but it's important to use it as a repository of easily accessible writing mistakes so you can quickly learn from the past and contextualize them for your own synthesis.
Re: Flanderization
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
While we see this a lot with influencers (and I think Joe Rogan is another great example). The phenomenon isn't exactly new. News anchors, writers, country singers, etc. have all been doing the exact same thing for decades. Doubling down on simple characteristics that resonate with their target audience.
Here’s something crazy. Rewatching early Simpsons episodes as someone who first saw Flanders post Flanderization: He’s a less compelling satire because it’s so nuanced, complex, and narrow. He’s not the obvious bad person that Marcy D’Arcy is, but he’s also not the aspirational zen master that Wilson from Home Improvement is either. He’s just kind of a normal-ish OK guy who’s not a compelling foil to Homer. Take his…
> He’s just kind of a normal-ish OK guy who’s not a compelling foil to Homer.
I’ve heard that the idea behind Flanders was to invert the “wacky neighbor” trope (think Kramer) that was prevalent in sitcoms at the time.
Being a normal and competent father is what makes him a foil to homer. I think both versions of the character are good.
Re: Flanderization
#70> Some works have consciously attempted to avoid flanderization, such as Rick and Morty. I am not sure to phrase my disagreement with such a statement because Rick oscillates between a few crazy states but Jerry has been pretty one-dimensional for most of the show's life.
Well, you can't fladerize if you start in final flanderized state