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Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by throw_m239339 »

goldenchrome wrote: post #51
Anon659 wrote: post #29

This is a Russian company with an office in Moscow. Blocked and done right.

Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living?

> Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living?

Do Ukrainian citizens not deserve a life free of a war of aggression caused by Russia's invasion? Sanctions are mild inconvenience for Russian citizens compared to what Russia's government is imposing to the Ukrainian citizens. Not that I would defend Paypal though, they are a shitty company.

Russian citizens can earn an honest living after Russia leaves Ukraine and pay trillions in reparations as the result of the killings and the destruction in Ukraine.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by ChainOfFools »

rchaud wrote: post #39
kweks wrote: post #30

PayPal performed a "freeze and seize" on our account ~12 months ago, netting just over 50k EUR. They then went on a war of attrition, enumerating across distinct companies, shareholders seizing funds across all accounts (including accounts of unrelated companies and personal accounts in Hong Kong and Australia) No information was given. After the 180 days "freeze" period, they announced that the funds would not be re…

Please consider writing a blog post online, so there's a permanent link to your story online somewhere. You have described a pretty elaborate system designed to dodge accountability when customers ask questions. You should consider talking to a business journalist as well. Here in Canada, the public broadcaster's website has a "Go Public" section where well-documented customer complaints are publicized. In most cases…

sounds like all a shady company has to do to get away with fraid, is to become its own customer and block every criticism with 'cant prove we did it, because privacy' the way crypto scammers do with 'cant prove we did it, because decentralized'

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by rvz »

yellowapple wrote: post #60

Every time someone says that cryptocurrency has no legitimate use case, incidents like this come immediately to mind.

There you go. I don't think some of the respondents here have operated with PayPal at a large scale.

Web2 payments are going just great! /s

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by wl »

Anon659 wrote: post #54
goldenchrome wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living?

The money from the sale will eventually go to Russia. This post means nothing. They publicly call the war in Ukraine a "special military operation" - like Russian propagandists. And they continue their activities in Russia, answering questions very rudely https://dou.ua/forums/topic/39415/

They claim they use the phrase "special military operation" because the law requires them to.

https://twitter.com/flipper_zero/status/1503384498402119690

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by wdb »

kweks wrote: post #30

PayPal performed a "freeze and seize" on our account ~12 months ago, netting just over 50k EUR. They then went on a war of attrition, enumerating across distinct companies, shareholders seizing funds across all accounts (including accounts of unrelated companies and personal accounts in Hong Kong and Australia) No information was given. After the 180 days "freeze" period, they announced that the funds would not be re…

Yeah, I have a similar story myself. They still have my money hostage. You are amazing going to reach out to CSSF tomorrow

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by sdwr »

kweks wrote: post #30

PayPal performed a "freeze and seize" on our account ~12 months ago, netting just over 50k EUR. They then went on a war of attrition, enumerating across distinct companies, shareholders seizing funds across all accounts (including accounts of unrelated companies and personal accounts in Hong Kong and Australia) No information was given. After the 180 days "freeze" period, they announced that the funds would not be re…

That's fucked up! I can't fathom the mindset required to scam people like that, let alone do it at an institutional scale. Good on you for taking a stand, that helps everyone in the long run.

My default reaction to being scammed is to feel ashamed. A cashier took a $10 out my change as a kid, my dad finding out and going back and confronting the clerk was painful. With experience I've gotten more (maybe too much so!) alert to scams, confidence schemes and dark patterns. A lot of them operate at a level of plausible deniability, or even subconscious action, where the person profiting doesn't have to know what's going on.

Last winter the game EFT had a winter marketing blitz, which they paired with authentication servers being down for old accounts ... as a returning player I had to buy a new account to participate.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by eozoon »

tester756 wrote: post #6

What's the safest way to transfer money relatively anonymously nowadays? by relatively I mean that I don't care if gov/police knows, but the person who sends/receives money doesn't know me, I just don't want people from games to know me I've used paypal account with random name like Snarky Snark and managed to transfer like 300usd, but I'm worried that the next time they may block me somehow

Money order in post office / banks / WU. The place generating the order will usual check your ID but they do not require you to include that info on what's sent to the recipient.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by m-p-3 »

rchaud wrote: post #40
geoffeg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's the resolution in that situation? Does Flipper Zero just throw their hands up and lose the money?

They can go public, which is what they've done here and on Twitter. After that, they have to consider legal action, and it won't be cheap.

PayPal should be forced to pay back legal fees when they lose..

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by elzbardico »

valdiorn wrote: post #26

Anti money laundering laws forbid banks and facilitators from disclosing the true reason for freezing the account. If PayPal told them they'd literally be breaking federal law. So a money laundering flag seems most plausible given the silence.

Gotta love George W. Bush and his war on terror. A lot of the bullshit we deal nowadays with money and traveling started on his government

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by elzbardico »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #61
goldenchrome wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living?

> Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living? Do Ukrainian citizens not deserve a life free of a war of aggression caused by Russia's invasion? Sanctions are mild inconvenience for Russian citizens compared to what Russia's government is imposing to the Ukrainian citizens. Not that I would defend Paypal though, they are a shitty company. Russian citizens can earn an honest living after Russia leaves Ukr…

What about Donbas residents continuously harassed and killed by Kyiv for over 8 years?
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