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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Strikes me as odd that electrics are not cheaper than internal combustion. I guess it's the batteries, huh?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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post #17

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Buying a car right now feels like a tough decision. ICEs are on their way out, even illegal pretty soon, but EVs aren’t quite there yet especially if you live in the city and can’t charge at home. Probably best to wait ~5 years then buy an EV, if you can wait.

Internal combustion illegal soon? To own?

I missed that memo.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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post #16

"Many of us don’t need detailed analysis to understand this. We can see it on our neighborhood streets" I live in an apartment complex. Zero EVs. I suppose you are correct; I never considered myself as part of the "Many of us" moniker.

I've found them difficult to spot, until I knew what I was looking for. And I'm in a city with an aging population, and many tradies who drive only Utes. The EVs are still here in larger numbers than I expected.

Adelaide by any chance? LOL

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#64

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.

Norway has the highest rate of EV adoption in the world. I live in Minnesota and none of my friends or neighbors have had problems with their EVs.

Level 2 charging (i.e. 240V home charging) is not affected by cold temperatures unless it's well below freezing, like below 0 F.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Buying a car right now feels like a tough decision. ICEs are on their way out, even illegal pretty soon, but EVs aren’t quite there yet especially if you live in the city and can’t charge at home. Probably best to wait ~5 years then buy an EV, if you can wait.

Internal combustion illegal soon? To own? I missed that memo.

Illegal to sell new in a number of jurisdictions, starting sometime in the next 10-to-never years. Would probably put us on track to 3-4 degrees of warming.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#66

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

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I'm really not sure how my Volkswagen will not let me drive because of something I said on Twitter.

Electric utilities are also regulated monopolies, they can't just cut my power without running afoul of a ton of laws. Even in such a ridiculous scenario, you can make your own electricity. You can't make your own gasoline.

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I definitely prefer to have an ice vehicle for range and privacy reasons. But I have this irrational hatred of oil changes. For me that seems like the biggest bonus of an EV. Edit: I guess I don’t like the idea that ordinary procrastination can, in this case destroy a 50k investment.

Doesn't your garage handle that for you at the yearly checkup?

Do people have "garages" and yearly checkups? Maybe it's a European thing?

In the U.S. we have Jiffy Lube and the "checkup" is just another way for them to squeeze the customer for cash. We are so distrustful of auto mechanics in general that, no, I don't think most of us go looking for a yearly fleecing, ha ha (not funny, really).

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#68

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.

Growing pains. Not really unlike how it used to be hard to start cars in cold weather- newer cars have heaters built into the battery, since its basically zero-cost, and enough insulation that they can get up to temp quite quickly. Heating the cabin is a bigger issue, since it's pretty hard to reduce what is a significant drain.

4 miles/hour is very, very slow. It's the maximum output of a standard wall charger. Maybe you were at a level 1 charger?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#69

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.

I live in the upper midwest where it gets quite cold, and I absolutely love my EV. I charge at home off of a regular wall outlet, and haven't had any issues during the winter. The trick is to charge overnight at home, slow and steady wins the race.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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post #36

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

If you don't mind a super-aerodynamic lightweight three-wheeler, Aptera has a strong commitment to right-to-repair. They're making parts and manuals available to anyone. https://aptera.us/right-to-repair-commitment-feat-rich-rebui... https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/19/a-recent-aptera-video-g... They also get significantly more miles/kWh than most electrics, so the charging problem's easier.

>> If you don't mind a super-aerodynamic lightweight three-wheeler

In other words: not a car. No crash protection. Three-wheeled "cars" are simply an excuse to avoid various safety rules. They are essentially enclosed motorcycles, to the extent that in some jurisdictions you may need a motorcycle license/helmet to drive them.

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