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But clearly, accelerating the shutdown of nuclear is the best way to combat climate change.
Not sure why you're attacking me, I don't agree with Germany's greater stance on nuclear. But I don't see how that's of relevance here.
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It's also correct to read Feld's statement and view it as a net positive. From what I've seen, this additional demand is a net positive for the economy and environment. Most trains in general are already scheduled. There is close to zero marginal cost for an additional person to take the train. There are additional emissions when more schedules are added, and this has almost certainly been the case in some of the mor…
> From what I've seen, this additional demand is a net positive for the economy and environment. Economy yes. But how is it a positive for the environment? > Most trains in general are already scheduled. There is close to zero marginal cost for an additional person to take the train. That's a good point but that's true for flights too.
The caveat here is that a lot of these travellers would not have travelled if not for the ticket. So I have to concede that any of the extra schedules were from purely artificial/incited demand.
There is also the possibility that many travelled because they knew the tickets would not last, and so they aimed to take advantage of it while they could.
If the price change was permanent, maybe most of the new demand would be more spread out.
That's why I'd argue that the outlook is not so clear-cut.
I personally view it as a successful experiment but an unsustainable one at that price.
[1]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/comparing-the-carbon-footpr...
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Upvoting and confirming your experience. Lots of commenters here sound like they haven't used the network. I've only been here for a month and see why the 9 euro is so popular. I've already experienced everything you mentioned in my short stay here
I have used the network plenty of times during the last 20 years. Some routes that take me 30 minutes with the car, go up for 1h 30m or even 2h if I am unlucky, due to the amount of times I have to change public transport and waiting between connections.
Travelling on the DB is not easy for several reasons, and even with this 9 eur ticket, it's not likely to shift very time sensitive travellers.
That said, most people would be willing to forgo that inconvenience for a price, and this ticket did that.
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Roads are vastly more expensive than transit per trip. If having the busses and trains full avoids yet another widening then taxes go down, and the rural + urban areas stop subsidizing the suburbs.
The one time cost of widening roads go down but the additional transit line costs which are yearly outweigh those costs and continue.
The 'one time cost' is something you're signing up to do every year at ever increasing cost until you go bankrupt or give up and build transit.
I think this calculation is complete nonsense and pure propaganda to support political movement. Many people have bought tickets and made trips that they would never have made at normal prices. The article quotes someone who travels from Bavaria to Rostock simply because it is cheap. Not because he has to. Here, CO2 is deliberately wasted out of boredom or pleasure, and then people pat themselves on the back for bein…
[1] https://www.vdv.de/bilanz-9-euro-ticket.aspx
[2] https://www.vdv.de/presse.aspx?id=df893fc7-1759-497b-9488-ce...
Yeah, no: https://www.ft.com/content/7a9973cd-ea91-42a9-a79f-4a8c5bf93... > Feld said it was clear more people were using public transport “but it was almost exclusively additional demand — there was no shift in traffic from road to rail”. > “So environmental goals were not achieved,” he said.
The data behind the 1.8MTCO2 figure comes from a survey that explicitly asked about how people changed habits [1] and the CO2 figure is "Based on the journeys shifted from cars to buses and trains" [2] not total usage.
[1] https://www.vdv.de/bilanz-9-euro-ticket.aspx
[2] https://www.vdv.de/presse.aspx?id=df893fc7-1759-497b-9488-ce...
Where can one find the actual method used to come up with this number? Is it the difference in tickets sold during €9 and prior to €9 * statistical distance travelled by a statistical German assuming that every surplus ticket sold was bought to substitute a car travel? Subsequently, it would be great to have that number put in context right next to a graph showing gasoline and diesel sales in the same time period. Th…
[1] https://www.vdv.de/bilanz-9-euro-ticket.aspx
[2] https://www.vdv.de/presse.aspx?id=df893fc7-1759-497b-9488-ce
Why not make public transportation free as part of the government's investment in combatting climate change (and lots of other benefits)