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An extrasolar world covered in water?

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Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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It's around 100 light years away from Earth for anyone interested.

Since it's heavier than Earth, what about the rocket equation? Colonizing it may mean the inhabitants could never leave it.

It'd just be 13 km/s to low orbit (or 19 km/s to escape), which isn't really that much for small payloads -- New Horizons had a total of 17 km/s delta-v. You don't even need to look at space elevators or fission or fusion launch systems, all of which are probably viable on first principles.

Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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I have thought about this a lot. I have said for a long time that human space exploration doesn't make any sense to me. Space is so hostile to our life in general it seems that only purpose-built machines make any sense for the job. But of course for the preservation of our species, we would want to be able to send the "seeds" of our ecosystem to other places. But then, if we have progressed to that level of technolo…

> But of course for the preservation of our species, we would want to be able to send the "seeds" of our ecosystem to other places. Or we could, you know, take better care of the planet we’re already on.

Tell that to the solar flare that randomly burns everything on it... Or the asteroid that crashes into it... Or the black hole that eats it... Or the aliens that invade it... Or the plague that kills everyone on it... Or the supervolcano that causes "nuclear" winter...

We could be doing our absolute best and still be surprised pikachus anyways. And there's no scifi remedy that will help us resolve these problems, we're not even K1, much less K2 - who's on Earth when it comes dies.

As the only known example of intelligent life in the observable universe, we should be doing everything we can to preserve ourselves. Having everyone on one planet is not a good idea if you're looking for survival on geological timescales (and/or have bad luck).

Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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Based on those observations, the exoplanet appears to be about 70% larger than Earth with just five times its mass. That means it’s less dense than Earth Seems like a rather large leap to go from that to "it's a water world", at least in these days where we get a "this new exoplanet may be covered in water!" headline every few months.

So its a droplet, were a small moony core tumbles around in the crushing depths?

Someone’s would have to do the math on the core pressure, but likely there would be an ice mantle around a rocky core and possibly a supercritical layer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_diagram#/media/File%3A...

Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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I don’t think interstellar travel necessarily implies much better tech than we currently have. I mean, Project Orion style nuke-powered spaceships can get you there in a lifetime but unless you wanna nuke your colony whenever someone needs to leave you still might be stuck on the surface.

What? A nuke in space will have very little impact on a planet. A nuke on a planet doesn't have much impact on the planet either: see all the tests done on earth.

It's a non-trivial number of nukes on every single launch. If it becomes popular, it will have a very noticeable effect on a planet.

Nuclear propulsion isn't the only alternative we have for reaching low orbits. Land-powered rockets are probably much better, and there is always the odd high-elevation rail or space elevator (but those get bad fast on large planets).

Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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Based on those observations, the exoplanet appears to be about 70% larger than Earth with just five times its mass. That means it’s less dense than Earth Seems like a rather large leap to go from that to "it's a water world", at least in these days where we get a "this new exoplanet may be covered in water!" headline every few months.

Not necessarily. We understand lots of the underlying orbital physics and know from stellar lifecycles how much of each element to expect. From there you can run the math on radius and density and only be left with so many possibilities of what the thing is made of. It’s not certainly water, just one of the likely possibilities. An interesting hypothesis that could actually be tested by atmospheric spectroscopy using Webb.

Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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The seeds of humanity won't be humanity at all, but the AI.

Kind of a fun hybrid where AI is clearly dominant in an established solar system, but it ends up being impossible to miniaturize the enormous supply chain necessary to fabricate microprocessors, so to colonize a new solar system it actually ends up being necessary to send self-replicating carbon-based humans who will then bootstrap the industrial supply chain necessary for AGI. (repeat ad infinitum for the rest of th…

Who came first? The AGI or the human?

Re: An extrasolar world covered in water?

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Earth is not an exoplanet, it is merely a planet.

"merely a planet", it's sad that the thing that gives everything life and beauty and wonder can be so easily dismissed nowadays...

Only planet with Life. I sometimes wish people ponder on that for some time. Maybe they will have a new found respect for this planet like I did. Took me a while but when I fully grasped the concept of Life few years back and read and saw all the life less rocks in our solar system it changed the way I look at things. Still amazes me when I think about it.
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