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Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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A song on the world's smallest violin for publishing companies executives. The fact that this asinine situation has reached this point to begin with is an embarrassment, and that it didn't end when we lost Aaron Swartz is a tragedy.

The loss of Aaron Swartz has always been the date when the timeline went dark for me.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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As someone in the ML community where arxiv rules supreme, I really do not understand why other communities do not also have something similar.

I get that there are some perverse incentives around, but there is a relatively straightforward solution to all of the problems with journals - just publish your work on the internet first so that it's out in the open, then send it to some journal who can make money from your hard work without adding any value, if you still want to.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#63

Seems like a good thing. Any downsides to this? Any low hanging fruit it misses in making research more open access?

For consumers of the information and those paying for it, it’s all upside to me. My only prediction for downside will be increased author fees for open access publications. Some venues have ridiculously high fees for open access authors, which is a barrier for some (not every author is funded by a research grant or in a department with a budget that can cover such fees). I expect they’ll go even higher, and the available exceptions or discounts will be more stringent. To me, the upsides vastly outweigh that downside though, so I’m very happy to see this move.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#64

Seems like a good thing. Any downsides to this? Any low hanging fruit it misses in making research more open access?

Definitely agree it's a good thing - my libertarian core can't help but wonder if the white house has (or ought to have) the power to unilaterally declare this, though. Would much prefer this had been voted on by congress.

i wonder why this is not a law already? at first i assumed lobbying, but i can't imagine the journal racket to be that lucrative to influence the required number of legislators to block the law, unlike oil or insurance. this seems like such a no-brainer issue, but i would love to hear the spin.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#65

Having done a short stint dealing with this stuff I am glad something is being done. NIST/NSF funded several studies that I was close to that were suddenly owned by a journal who did nothing but provide a place to put it. Public money should always mean public access. Not just for journals, but for anything. If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continu…

I assume military R&D would be a big exception?

It's the other way around -- academic R&D is just about the only type of government spending for which there's wide-spread support for openness and a lack of entrenched power against openness.

The USG spent $6B on cloud computing in 2020. That number is increasing quickly. To say nothing of the massive quantities of non-OSS software that the government buys and incorporates into is own business-critical processes. And it's not just government licenses, but also anyone who interacts with the government. E.g., try interacting with any government agency without an Office 365 license.

You get really funny looks if you say that MSFT should have to give away Office 365 for free if the government is going to use it for anything.

But total USG spend on closed-source software has to be well into the 30B-50B range conservatively. For reference, the entire NSF budget is $10B.

The main reason for this is that there are many monied and powerful stakeholders who benefit from selling closed software to USG, whereas the academic publishers a tiny, often not even American-owned, and got super greedy and screwed their natural contingency (academics hate them as much as or more than anyone else).

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#66

Having done a short stint dealing with this stuff I am glad something is being done. NIST/NSF funded several studies that I was close to that were suddenly owned by a journal who did nothing but provide a place to put it. Public money should always mean public access. Not just for journals, but for anything. If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continu…

Does “public” here refer to nationally-available, or internationally? Should I be able to access your taxpayer’s research?

All persons. The principals enshrined in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence specify no nation in particular.

Freedom of information is a direct extension of the Declaration of Independence.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#67

Having done a short stint dealing with this stuff I am glad something is being done. NIST/NSF funded several studies that I was close to that were suddenly owned by a journal who did nothing but provide a place to put it. Public money should always mean public access. Not just for journals, but for anything. If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continu…

I assume military R&D would be a big exception?

"public access to federally funded research results and data should be maximized in a manner that protects confidentiality, privacy, business confidential information, and security, avoids negative impact on intellectual property rights, innovation, program and operational improvements, and U.S. competitiveness, and preserves the balance between the relative value of long-term preservation and access and the associated cost and administrative burden"

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does “public” here refer to nationally-available, or internationally? Should I be able to access your taxpayer’s research?

All persons. The principals enshrined in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence specify no nation in particular. Freedom of information is a direct extension of the Declaration of Independence.

I would say the real reason is that it's pretty impractical to limit it to just Americans given that we don't have any sort of national e-identity.
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