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Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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It's good to see Firefox on top of this list. Is Protonmail usually accessed through web clients? I only use native iOS client and MacOS Mail with the Bridge app. Somehow I would expect Protonmail users to not use the web client so much, maybe I am wrong.

While I am using it, the android client sometimes has problems refreshing for me. So if I was waiting for something urgent, I would probably use the web client.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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I was until recently using protonmail for throwaway email addresses for various web forums as it allowed a captcha verification during creation. Every other one I'd tried demands SMS verification these days, which is right out. But proton mail recently changed and requires SMS or another email now, I believe they say it is to combat bots.

I tried tutanota but it refuses to create an account at all over a VPN, or at least the VPNs I've used. At least it told me the reason it was a no go here instead of silently failing.

Anyone have any recommendations in this space?

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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I don't understand why Safari isn't on the "recommended" list. Doesn't it respect your privacy?

No, apple takes a copy of your browsing history, apparently “anonymously” and you can’t opt out. Don’t use it.

doesnt Apple store the history in iCloud, aka not anonymously?

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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post #12

Protonmail and Brave do indeed seem like a good fit. Two somewhat sketchy, very commercial outfits that market themselves as more private than the competition and that will gladly break existing standards and practices to so. They also seem to attract surprisingly similar groups of users, including a larger-than-chance overlap. Protonmail, in particular, seems to have become a sort of running joke as the e-mail provi…

I see critics on Protonmail, but Brave is an absolut legit fully open-sourced project. Nothing Sketchy, and no the opt-in Crypto Program is also nothing sketcht.

While the opt-in crypto program may not be sketchy per se, all ads that I have ever seen on it where in some way or the other get-rich-quick schemes. And that is imo what most of the criticism is about.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Why is safari/webkit not in there. It my understanding that it's the most privacy respecting browser in the area of finger printing.

Apple collects your browsing history, something which I have yet to find a good explanation for. https://apps.apple.com/zm/app/safari/id1146562112

That link is to Safari on iOS and it says that your browsing history may be collected but it’s not linked to your identity.

Is it a privacy problem if Apple collects aggregate browsing history from iOS users?

And is this relevant to a thread about desktop browsers?

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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post #44

Kind of funny that they included Pale Moon, IceCat, and SeaMonkey but not ungoogled-chromium, which imo is effectively the best compromise between privacy & a modern usable browser -- the only downside is the hardship of installing extensions manually.

And no Vivaldi mention

Vivaldi with defaults, maybe not the most optimal solution imo. But vivaldi tweaked (including no sync, etc.), sure. I probably share your surprise when I see people not aware of Vivaldi, and I'm not sure if it's due to their historical links with Opera(which by the way it's awful privacy-wise, but that's my opinion at least). Vivaldi is a good browser regarding mouse-focused browsing (or even touch I guess): their gesture system is definitely one of the best though I haven't tried Safari. I however stopped using Vivaldi a long time ago due to the fact that their Linux builds had horrendous hardware acceleration performance. Maybe I'll revisit it.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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I don't understand why Safari isn't on the "recommended" list. Doesn't it respect your privacy?

No, apple takes a copy of your browsing history, apparently “anonymously” and you can’t opt out. Don’t use it.

This is true on iOS Safari, but is it also true on desktop Safari? (I genuinely don’t know the answer)

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Why is safari/webkit not in there. It my understanding that it's the most privacy respecting browser in the area of finger printing.

I agree with you. In the present time, even as a profit grubbing corporation, Apple does a decent job privacy and security. This might change in the future, but I hope not.

I now use ProtonMail as my backup email even though I am a long term paying customer. This is obviously a personal decision, but I consider Apple’s email service to be good enough in terms of privacy and usability. Also, every company I have worked for in the last decade uses Google Workplace and I find having work material in Google and my stuff in Apple’s ecosystem leads to a good separation of work vs. my life.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Why do privacy folks recommend Brave? Isn't Brave a commercial, ad serving entity?

The short answer is that yes, Brave as a company does have some competing incentives which rightly should be constantly criticised, HOWEVER, Brave the browser performs well in multiple independent reviews of browser privacy. A nice one is https://privacytests.org/ , though there are also some academic studies which I will link if I find.

I wonder how Brave compares to (Firefox + uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger).
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