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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

Well not in all countries. In my country you are required to receive electronic messages from the government as well as to have a government issued ID and authentication system that forces you to have a fairly recent smartphone. For now, it is theoretically possible to use the authentication system without a smartphone but you will have to jump through an awful amount of (artificially imposed) hoops. Not having an in…

Which country are you speaking of?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

What's the incentive for Google to EVER give the accounts back? If they wrongly deactivate an account (like here), you get a bad article, EFF and friends ruminate about your behavior, and the world mostly moves on.

If Google wrongly gives an account back, you get a different article: "Google helped child pornographer even after discovering CP in their account". Now that gets attention. That's a scandal that leads to political action, criminal charges, etc.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for how Google behaves. They're a lot more like a utility and probably should be treated like one (alongside the protections and requirements that come of a utility, you don't hear "eletric company stopped serving house since man suspect of CP lives there").

For the responses saying "Well the police cleared them", again I don't disagree. But if you're an executive making this decision you're thinking:

1. We never give back an account in this case and avoid the massive downside risk

2. We go through a lot of work to design a process that will impact a marginal portion of customers and really really hope nobody manages to social engineer themselves past, and pray that no enterprising news outlet/politician tries to make the "Google helped CP person recover their CP story" - they already have a target on their back.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Snap chat?

A specific medical oriented app. I’ve had a few virtual appointments where they ask me do I have an iPhone for FaceTime. I do. But what do they do for Android users? Which one of the ten soon to be discontinued Google video conferencing apps would the doctor use?

Here’s an American one used in the UK. That had a data breach exposing sensitive images. I won’t ever trust consumer computers for sensitive medical stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52986629

Discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23471347

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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controversial opinion: as much as everybody knows that China isn't exactly championing the western way of life and western democratic standards, I keep my private files in a Chinese cloud (backups are kept private in a NAS in my house). Why? Because they are not in contact with our authorities and, frankly, the chances my private files will be of any interest for Chinese authorities are close to zero. Not that I have…

This is the same situation with "private" search engines. Your search query is ironically less likely to be shared with government if you are using Yandex, than with DuckDuckGo that is hosted by Microsoft (before it was even Amazon).

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

What do you think is the ratio of innocent to nefarious pictures of naked children Google encounters in aggregate?

This is relevant to how outraged one should be by this story. I think it is probably > 1:100000. As such, probably not much outrage is warranted, although it’s obviously not great for this one guy.

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I’ve heard great things about Google Domains but this kind of story is exactly why I probably won’t be using that service. It’s just too risky if you lose everything at once.

Honestly: don't upload unencrypted content to anyone, for exactly this reason. I have cloud backups of family photos, but they're all through restic or rclone with the crypt filter applied. Privacy is about the right to put yourself in context .

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Why would you not print naked adults?

Being forced to look at people's amateur porn at your job is pretty lame.

I agree, but presumably it's already necessary to determine if it's a picture of a naked adult.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Honestly: don't upload unencrypted content to anyone, for exactly this reason. I have cloud backups of family photos, but they're all through restic or rclone with the crypt filter applied. Privacy is about the right to put yourself in context .

> Privacy is about the right to put yourself in context. Wow. This is a brilliant. Did you come up with this?

Maybe from here?

Six Words on Privacy

https://safecomputing.umich.edu/six-words-about-privacy

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