Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

Post by superchroma » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 7:19 PM UTC

ROTMetro wrote: post #48

plandis wrote: post #20

US needs to economically retaliate in kind. If the US has the same data protections as the EU they’d make up some other excuse to attack US companies. This is what happens when you can’t compete you make up regulatory excuses. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted by Europeans but it’s the truth. Look at the valuable companies and where they are located :)

You should see how the EU screws American 'certain industry' companies and fails to honor reciprocity deals. Then add that it is legal and tax deductible for German business' to bribe/kickback to corrupt businesses overseas and man does Europe have a sweet deal without our 'open and reciprocal trade'. Unfair denied access to European markets but open access for Europe in the USA. Overseas company's officials expectin…

Post by solar-ice » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 7:20 PM UTC

xyzzyz wrote: post #15

f-jin wrote: post #9

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isn't the crux of the matter the all-reaching laws of the US that allows their intelligence agencies to order EU-subsidiaries of US companies to offer up their data..?

I would be frankly shocked if EU countries did not have the same laws on the book. If German court serves Volkswagen AG a warrant for data kept by Volkswagen America, can Volkswagen AG just not comply?

Post by rubito » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 7:20 PM UTC

xyzzyz wrote: post #13

akmarinov wrote: post #8

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Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying

This sword cuts both ways. US can also stop sales of Airbuses, Volkswagens, IKEA furniture etc. under some fishy premise. If EU does that to US companies, why shouldn’t US do it to EU ones? This kind of tit for tat trade war would be a loss to everyone compared to cooperation, but is still preferred to cooperating with a defector.

Post by xyzzyz » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

solar-ice wrote: post #63

xyzzyz wrote: post #15

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I would be frankly shocked if EU countries did not have the same laws on the book. If German court serves Volkswagen AG a warrant for data kept by Volkswagen America, can Volkswagen AG just not comply?

Pretty sure EU countries cannot in fact (in general) demand personal data of anyone from EU companies without due process. If you can find law to the contrary, let me know.

Post by bettysdiagnose » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

wins32767 wrote: post #30

mirekrusin wrote: post #22

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Comparable move could be for US to forbid using EU hosted services to ie. store medical records of US citizens etc., no?

No, because Germany doesn't have that big of an IT space. Aerospace and automotive would be good sectors to hit back with because they are more relatively important to Germany as IT is for the US.