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Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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Nowhere in this article or discussion is any mention of the extremely relevant farm runoff pollution. Particularly from cotton farms. Any progress there? I don't have the answer. There are many aspects to reef conservation. Looking at one aspect in total isolation and claiming anything at all about it with respect the health of the reef is just idiotic. There would have been very, very little reef tourism over the pa…

The reefs off the American Florida Keys have apparently been deteriorating for some years now. A study was done by researchers at a Florida university on why, with the expectation that the primary cause would be global warming. It was not. The main cause was apparently nutrient-rich runoff from south Florida agriculture and fertilized lawns. (Nutrients lead to increased growth of algae and other non-coral things, things which are not good in large quantities for coral.) And the good news is that this kind of runoff is easier to fix than global warming.

My fear is that when everything can so easily (and semi-plausibly) be blamed on global warming, no one will look for other causes. ICO coral reefs, those might include runoff, but also over-fishing, over-touristing, dumping or leakage of sewage and trash and oil off boats, and even reportedly sun screen worn by those tourists. And studies like the one above will not get done, because everyone "knows" what the problem is, so the environment--the reefs, in this example--will get worse when they could get better.

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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Isn't Adani coal mine meant to start commercial-scale coal mining soon? It's right next to the Great Barrier Reef.

"From there, container ships will weave their way through the Great Barrier Reef and out to India and other customers, where the coal will be burned in power stations."

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/energy/carmichael-approv...

Glad our governments care so much about the environment.

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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post #62

Isn't Adani coal mine meant to start commercial-scale coal mining soon? It's right next to the Great Barrier Reef. "From there, container ships will weave their way through the Great Barrier Reef and out to India and other customers, where the coal will be burned in power stations." https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/energy/carmichael-approv... Glad our governments care so much about the environment.

Isn't that comeback proof enough that all this environmentalism is hoax and we can do whatever we want to this planet and it will be fine? Also you sure don't want people to freeze and earn a living..

(Sorry, was just missing such a comment here yet.)

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we just have a moment of happiness? Of optimism?

I think it is important to be realistic and act accordingly, otherwise you could end up in a worse situation due to insufficiently detailed/correct information.

I think those who are naturally pessimistic/optimistic, do think they are being realistic. Unless there is overwhelmingly conclusive data, what is "realistic" is going to be tinted through their life experience and biases.

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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post #36

Nowhere in this article or discussion is any mention of the extremely relevant farm runoff pollution. Particularly from cotton farms. Any progress there? I don't have the answer. There are many aspects to reef conservation. Looking at one aspect in total isolation and claiming anything at all about it with respect the health of the reef is just idiotic. There would have been very, very little reef tourism over the pa…

AFAIK not a lot of cotton farming going on in reef catchment areas. There is lots of sugar cane and bananas however. Also lots of deforestation for grazing. Plus major resource export ports (LNG, coal). Regardless, runoff remains a major topic and there is some progress being made in the space [1].

Regards the article. If you look to the report itself[2] you'll see that this isn't a "she'll be right" triumph of science over scare campaigns. Climate change sits at the top of a growing list of concerns. The summary specifically mentions increased frequency of both marine heatwaves (that lead to bleaching) and major destructive weather events like cyclones. The other serious concern is crown-of-thorns starfish (a sea star that eats coral) ... and while the jury may still be out on the cause of their outbreaks (overfishing of predators? excess nutrients? changing environment?), the effect of this single species on the broader ecosystem is beyond frightening to witness.

It's extremely difficult to have a meaningful conversation about the threats to the reef without getting into the weeds. The "scare" campaigns may be light on detail, glossing over (or ignoring) much of the important nuance, but (for the most part) they aren't wrong.

[1] https://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/our-work/threats-to-the-reef/decli... [2] https://www.aims.gov.au/monitoring-great-barrier-reef/gbr-co...

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we just have a moment of happiness? Of optimism?

Not really sorry. Climate policy in Australia is going through Parliament right now (and while much more progressive than the previous government, the result still have the Greens stating the targets are not aggressive enough and will doom the reef).

Greens have little credibility when it comes to the environment. Instead of comprising and getting an emissions trading system passed they were stubborn and Australia ended up with a decade of inaction. For me that's inexcusable and the damage it caused was immense.

The legislated 43% target is largely symbolic and is a floor not a ceiling. It is not by itself going to change anything. What will change things are concrete steps like our Environment Minister stating that she will stop the Palmer coal mine from going ahead.

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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> This is apparently only for one particular kind of fast-growing coral Plus a bit of evolution for that coral, I'm guessing. Nature will eventually adapt to whatever we throw at it, but I'm not so sure if it will be fast enough for humans to survive.

Why don't you think humans will adapt as well?

Because humans are inherently selfish.

Are rich countries like US/EU etc. going to just allow tens/hundreds of millions of Africans to immigrate into their country when large parts of their continent become uninhabitable ?

Or are we going to quietly just let them die like is happening now.

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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post #16

This is apparently only for one particular kind of fast-growing coral, which means coral diversity is lower and that makes the reef more vulnerable to damage and less supportive of the wider ecosystem: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-04/great-barrier-reef-re...

Kinda a side note, but I found it interesting that this approach has been used in NZ for regenerating native plants. Essentially gorse (a pest introduced during European settlement) is used as a shield while the native plants are too young to survive exposure on coastal cliff's

Eg https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2...

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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Not at all, I was very remote crossing the Simpson - 750km over seven days without seeing a soul, crossed 1,300 soft red sand dunes. And now plenty of mud and wild 4x4 in cape york (see today’s video for just the beginning) Epic mountains in Tasmania, plenty of wild stuff

I suspect I'd wager my life on that (here in winter at least) before some of your African scenarios. My neighbour is just finishing a Simpson crossing this week actually, though four-car convoy so has easy backup. I turned onto the Oodnadatta Track the other month (going up for Tourism Australia shoots) and got two flat tyres with one spare as the sun set. Same trip, one of my drones got taken by a wedge-tailed eagle…

> I suspect I'd wager my life on that (here in winter at least) before some of your African scenarios.

There isn't any "life wagering" going on.

Please don't buy into the hyperbole. With a little planning and prep, Australia is extremely developed and safe. The chances of dying are very slim, unless a person really tries. Sat beacons and phones are cheap and easy to carry, and the family that recently got stuck in the Simpson had to wait all of 4 hours for a chopper to show up when they hit the button after getting hopelessly stuck in the mud.

Africa is also not what you're making it out to be either. Don't take my word for it, talk to people that have spent a lot of time there. Good friends from Cairns drove right around like I did for 2 years, they went to 30+ countries, West Coast, Southern and all of East Coast. They loved it. In fact, they loved it so much they are right now shipping their Australian-plated vehicle back to Africa for another two year tour. They are perfectly middle class in Australia and live a great life there, but choose to spent another two years touring Africa. That should tell you a lot about what it's really like there.

got two flat tyres with one spare as the sun set

What tyres are you running, at what PSI, at what speed and with what load? Were they just punctures in the tread, or a failure of the sidewall?

Re: Coral makes comeback on Great Barrier Reef

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Coincidentally I went diving on the GBR last week, and from personal observation, it's in way, way, way worse condition that it was 20 years ago. There are massive sections of bleached coral, huge dead patches and way less fish life. Here's how it looked last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0h0j0PSqaY In 2015 the Aussie government tried to have it de-listed as a UNESCO site so they could dredge it (Nobody had…

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