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Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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Is the original title too long? I'd suggest spelling out at least 'intermittent fasting'. (It looks like shouty 'if' at the moment, and then 1/2 days/week what?)

Yes, we need legible titles.

Submitted title was "IF 2 days vs. 1 day/week increases weight loss in overweight m/f" but I think we can just use a prefix of the article title. I've changed it to that now.

Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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"High Carb" for 2200 Cals a day: Carbs:330g Protein:110g Fat:49g "Low Carb" for 2200 Cals a day : Carbs:138g Protein:248g Fat:73g Via: https://musclewiki.com/Macro_calculator I think most of the modern world is actually not getting enough protein. Every single person I talk to when I help coach them on macros we find out they are not getting near enough protein. (Myself Included)

I really wish their was more definitive studies on protein needs, based on exercise/lifestyle. All of the studies I've read tend to contradict with each other. During a phase of bodybuilding training I befriended a guy at the gym and he went on to train me. He convinced me that I needed more protein than ever before. This guys was massive, and had success locally at competitions. So I took his advice and started to c…

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Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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> Also something I was wondering, the repeated emphasis on short-term benefits has me wonder how the participants did after the trial. This right here is the first and most important reason to be skeptical of any study on weight loss. None of these things ever turn out to do anything useful on a time horizon that matters. If you want to know how to lose weight for a few weeks you don't need a peer reviewed journal, j…

> None of these things ever turn out to do anything useful on a time horizon that matters. I found IF gave me a tool to help me control my appetite for the rest of my life. Self control is best method for maintaining weight, as it's free and guaranteed to work if used.

> Self control is best method for maintaining weight, as it's free and guaranteed to work if used.

Studies done on it do not, as far as I've ever seen, back up the idea that it "works if used" in anything but the most tautological sense (ie. "Anyone who fails clearly didn't actually exert self-control").

If you're aware of any studies that show enduring weight loss in any but a small minority of participants with any regimen that fits your description, please share.

Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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Eat 500cals for two days. I'll just be fat.

I tried fasting as well. Every Sunday I would limit myself to about 400cals. I was miserable and mean. It wasn't a good strategy for me.

I'm having a lot more success with a changed way of life, but to do that I also needed the support of those around me. In particular I needed to get my wife on board to help me make better food choices and to have healthy choices at dinner time. She has been incredible and very supportive. Once that shifted into place all the pieces came together. What's interesting is that I almost needed all of them in place to really start seeing the changes I wanted.

What worked for me:

I try and walk at least 30 mins everyday.

I track my activity using an apple watch.

I track what I eat since I don't really know the macronutrients in foods or the calories (lose it app, paid subscription). Before I would just eat until I felt full. What's really interesting is that eating more of the right things I feel just as full but it's many fewer calories and a much better macronutrient breakdown.

I try and get a lot more protein in my diet.

I try and drink at least 3L of water, I think this helps me to not feel hungry as well.

I've been at this for just about 2 months now and I feel and look much better than I have in a long time. I really think that these changes are ones that I can stick with for the rest of my life.

Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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I really wish their was more definitive studies on protein needs, based on exercise/lifestyle. All of the studies I've read tend to contradict with each other. During a phase of bodybuilding training I befriended a guy at the gym and he went on to train me. He convinced me that I needed more protein than ever before. This guys was massive, and had success locally at competitions. So I took his advice and started to c…

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Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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If someone can make it so it doesn't feel like I can no longer think or move any muscles or start sweating if I go more than about 3 hours without eating, then I'm on board! Also hunger pangs. Please no.

You are describing hypoglycemia. Are you often thirsty, tired, hangry? Pee a lot at night? If so, it might be a good idea to go and check your blood sugar.

Yeah unfortunately I’ve had these symptoms throughout my life, have been regularly checked for diabetes but no dice. My dad has type 1 so we recognised my symptoms, but apparently it isn’t diabetes.

Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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> protein pacing diet for the remaining five/six days/week (Protein pacing refers to 4–6 meals/day evenly-spaced, where each meal contains 25–40g of protein) > During fasting days, participants fasting for one day/week were allowed to consume 400 Kcal/day, while participants fasting for two consecutive days were allowed 500 Kcal/day. During non-fasting days the dietary regimen provided 1350 and 1700 kcals/day for wom…

> Also something I was wondering, the repeated emphasis on short-term benefits has me wonder how the participants did after the trial. This right here is the first and most important reason to be skeptical of any study on weight loss. None of these things ever turn out to do anything useful on a time horizon that matters. If you want to know how to lose weight for a few weeks you don't need a peer reviewed journal, j…

Aside from what others have pointed out that it's perfectly okay for a scientific study to have limited scope and not try to solve the entire problem of how to lose weight and keep it off, which inherently requires following and monitoring people for a very long time, even the case you're describing here isn't necessarily all bad.

Given a person undergoes an intervention, succeeds in losing 40 pounds, then gains it all back over the next five years, that sounds like failure in a vacuum, but that means they spent five years not gaining more weight. If the non-intervention counterfactual is they would have ended up 40 pounds even heavier, then intervention is still a win. Yo-yo dieting with lifetime net zero progress is still better than steadily getting fatter for the rest of your life.

Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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1700 cal/day seems quite low and I would think would result in weight loss continuing also on non-fasting days.

My annoyance with all of these numbers is they are meaningless without some measure of size.

I'm literally twice the size of my friend, at the same BMI (more than a foot taller). So should I be eating 3400? Or should they be eating 850?

Re: Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

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post #67

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You are describing hypoglycemia. Are you often thirsty, tired, hangry? Pee a lot at night? If so, it might be a good idea to go and check your blood sugar.

Yeah unfortunately I’ve had these symptoms throughout my life, have been regularly checked for diabetes but no dice. My dad has type 1 so we recognised my symptoms, but apparently it isn’t diabetes.

I hope its manageable! Glad to hear that it isn't diabetes at least.

Wife is T1, so whenever I hear people describe hyper/hypoglycemia I can't help but to ask.

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