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I bought one last Fall for sticker price and as the commute to my daughters school is 50 miles rt we fill the tank once a month or so. Basically a great gateway drug to fully electric, which is what I want when I can get an F150 which is not taking orders atm.
> the commute to my daughters school is 50 miles rt That means it takes an hour to drive there and back?? Twice a day?!
Makes sense. That car is the perfect car for my family. Electric range is enough to do most of our daily errands, taking the kids to classes, etc. But the gas range is enough to take family road trips. And in my case, it also happens to have 100% support from Openpilot, which is a requirement for me.
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Well there are destination charges/dealer prep/paperwork etc. I recently had to buy a car. And by all indications low-mileage used are hot tickets right now. Had to pay something like $500 in dealership charges which is more than I've paid in the past I'm pretty sure but not highway robbery. Didn't even try to negotiate the sticker price but, to my surprise, was about to get the price for some "factory installed opti…
$500 is a far cry from $15,000. It's still insane for what amounts to some paperwork and processing fees though.
For those looking for an alternative, I highly recommend the Ford Escape PHEV. It’s about 12K cheaper with the federal incentives. You lose out on some stuff like AWD and one recall, but overall the compromises were worth the 12K difference. The car handles very well and remote app is free. With the electric range and my habits, I would need to get gas every 6 months. I get over 40 mpg if I run on gas (in the summer)…
Do they have option of not remotely controlled car? )
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Market conditions by an enforced middle man
The market conditions are set by the number of people trying to buy the cars and how much they're willing to pay. The dealership meets the market price, not sets it. If their fee was unreasonable people would buy other cars until the dealer dropped their prices to something reasonable.
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> but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" Do your scare quotes mean you think it's unreasonable? It's supply and demand, isn't it?
15k dealership fee is unreasonable.
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"Specific new Toyota models are shipping with a new message authentication method that openpilot does not yet support. So far, this list includes: Toyota RAV4 Prime 2021+" Just a heads up.
Oh thanks! I hadn't checked in a while. I'm not getting a new car anytime soon anyway so hopefully they solve it before I am ready!
For those looking for an alternative, I highly recommend the Ford Escape PHEV. It’s about 12K cheaper with the federal incentives. You lose out on some stuff like AWD and one recall, but overall the compromises were worth the 12K difference. The car handles very well and remote app is free. With the electric range and my habits, I would need to get gas every 6 months. I get over 40 mpg if I run on gas (in the summer)…
Yup, I went to buy one last year, I think the advertised price was $40k, but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" for the pleasure of doing business with them. I went for a Tesla Model Y instead, and I'm very happy with it.
> but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" Do your scare quotes mean you think it's unreasonable? It's supply and demand, isn't it?
People here love passive aggression.