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RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by jrochkind1 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9
amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

It's not dead, but many things I wish supported RSS don't. Facebook. Twitter. Instagram. These would be incredibly useful things to have native RSS feeds for, but instead I have to dig around and either use some tool someone built for the purpose - a tool at the mercy of the walled garden whose wall they're peeking over - or build my own nightmare factory.

My dream is being able to get only the events off my Facebook feed. Invitations, events my "friends" are going to that show up on my feed, events people post on their timeline that would show up on my feed, whatever.

If Facebook had any kind of API I could probably build this, and stop using facebook otherwise. Which is probably why they don't?

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by remram »

reaperducer wrote: post #48
powersnail wrote: post #26

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it. The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy,…

Not a complete solution to your problem, but the New York Times at least offers different RSS feeds for different sections. So you can have a different feed for Science and Technology, and one for Australia, and one for New York. By not using the front page firehose, you can keep the number of inbound articles to a more manageable level.

The BBC as well: https://www.bbc.com/news/10628494 ("top stories", "world", "politics", "health", "technology", ...)

Though like many sites, I have no idea how you would reach the "feeds" page from the front page (I gave up and searched Google for it)

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by giantrobot »

throw0101a wrote: post #55
NelsonMinar wrote: post #15

Don't call it a comeback! There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom. As one of the folks involved in creating Atom I'm frustrated with the outcome. These days it'd probably be JSON, right?

> There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom. Are there any technical reasons to use RSS instead of Atom in new deployments? (I can perhaps see leaving legacy RSS links created pre-Atom in place.)

> Are there any technical reasons to use RSS instead of Atom in new deployments?

There's no technical reason. Unfortunately many CMSes still emit barely usable RSS v2. There's also the branding issue of RSS the format essentially being the name of the technology. Someone saying "I want an RSS feed" ends up with the implementer making an RSS v2 feed rather than a better Atom feed and just labeling it RSS.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by jrochkind1 »

tootie wrote: post #5
amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

RSS is still the default distribution system for podcasts. It's probably the thin thread that is keeping Spotify from building a walled garden for audio.

Spotify has started and rapidly escalated a program to pay podcast producers for spotify-only podcasts. (with no rss feeds). Several podcasts I used to listen to and enjoy have become spotify-only.

When I recently asked friends for podcast suggestions... several were spotify-only, i don't think the suggestors even realized it, cause they just listened on spotify anyway regardless.

So I think Spotify agrees with you and is working on it...

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by CharlesW »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #15

Don't call it a comeback! There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom. As one of the folks involved in creating Atom I'm frustrated with the outcome. These days it'd probably be JSON, right?

> There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom.

Maybe in theory, but as a heavy RSS user this has never been an issue in practice. For example, WordPress sites support both by default — RSS at /feed/, Atom at /feed/atom/, but apps like Feedly hide this implementation plumbing during normal use.

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Post by jamesq »

powersnail wrote: post #26

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it. The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy,…

With FlipRSS.com we let subscribers choose only the content they want to receive. Using RSS feeds, matched to interest groups, content creators can keep in regular contact but deliver more personalised subscriber experiences. We love RSS!

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by rambambram »

mpclark wrote: post #19
rambambram wrote: post #8

> RSS and advertising never really made good bedfellows. Isn't Feedburner part of Google nowadays? I remember reading somewhere that they inject ads in the feeds.

Feedburner is a zombie product now, and has been for a few years.

I'm subscribed to some feeds from them. I didn't notice any ads, yet. Do you mean by 'zombie product' that they don't do ads anymore?

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by derekzhouzhen »

mbesto wrote: post #38

Is there any way outside of just polling every 1~5 minutes to get realtime updates to RSS? Curious what is standard here? If you do do polling, what interval?

If you need realtime update, then RSS is probably not the right tool. For polling, I currently do the following:

* with `HTTP 304: not modified` result, I'll come back in 60 minutes * if there is any update, I'll come back in 4 hours * if there is no cache control header, such as etag or last-modified, I will poll every 12 hours.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by scrame »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #41
CharlesW wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, to Spotify's great delight, the word "podcast" has been successfully embraced, extended, and extinguished. Us technical types have been complicit in it by allowing the word "podcast" to mean audio shows on proprietary platforms that require proprietary players.

The word never made much sense though. A "podcast" is a file that you download from the internet. What's the point of calling it a podcast?

Because it was some apple fanboys who started it with the original iPod. Apple and a few others tried to trademark it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast#Trademark_applications

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