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Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by ben_w » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

fardo wrote: post #53

izzydata wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I don't have a Facebook account so what is there to correlate?

Facebook maintains “shadow profile” accounts for people who have not personally made an account [1], the answer to your question is “whatever information your friends and family exposed on your behalf and which is linkable to you”. [1] https://medium.com/@SpiderOak/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-pro...

They did. I suspect that if they still do, there's going too be a really painful GDPR penalty heading their way.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by markstos » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #31

markstos wrote: post #15

Instead, a Meta account is required. I see what you did there.

I thought you were kidding until I clicked through. How is this better in any way?

A "Meta VR" could be created and used just for work stuff, connected to a work email address and disconnected from personal Facebook or Instagram accounts.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by kmeisthax » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:37 PM UTC

mahastore wrote: post #57

groovybits wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook indeed collects data on non-users https://www.howtogeek.com/768652/what-are-facebook-shadow-pr...

It is deeper than that. After I google for anything , I generally see advertisements in my Facebook app for the specific thing. There is certainly some invisible link between Goog and Febu.

The word you're thinking of is remarketing.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by 999900000999 » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

I will admit this is very tempting.

The Quest 2 is the only reasonably priced standalone headset.

I'll probably wait until the end of the year though, hopefully ANYONE else will release a solid standalone

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #31

markstos wrote: post #15

Instead, a Meta account is required. I see what you did there.

I thought you were kidding until I clicked through. How is this better in any way?

It's not attached to their most toxic brand so more people will be willing to put up with it, instead of shunning their (excellent) devices due to the toxicity of the brand.

It won't convince everyone, but it will convince some.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by hankman86 » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

How exactly does this address the privacy concerns underlying the previous model? They still require me to have a “social” profile. I never agreed to that when I bought my Oculus Rift back in 2016. In effect, my Rift remains bricked unless I agree to have a presence in their dystopian Metaverse. No thank you!

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by ihuman » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

georgeecollins wrote: post #37

markstos wrote: post #15

Instead, a Meta account is required. I see what you did there.

To be fair: You needed an Oculus account to use an Oculus, just like you need a Switch account or a Steam account. Hardware with a digital store requires an account. A Facebook account is much more restrictive than say a Steam account. Facebook tries to get you to use your real name for example. Who in the world wants to use their real name playing a video game?

> Hardware with a digital store requires an account.

Can't you play games without the store? Like streaming games from your PC or side loading games. You shouldn't need an account if you're not going to use the store.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by wyre » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #61

fardo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook maintains “shadow profile” accounts for people who have not personally made an account [1], the answer to your question is “whatever information your friends and family exposed on your behalf and which is linkable to you”. [1] https://medium.com/@SpiderOak/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-pro...

They did . I suspect that if they still do, there's going too be a really painful GDPR penalty heading their way.

Cost of doing business? Is GDPR protecting me as an American from Facebook shadow profiling me? How significant are GDPR fines?

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by hansword » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:40 PM UTC

georgeecollins wrote: post #37

markstos wrote: post #15

Instead, a Meta account is required. I see what you did there.

To be fair: You needed an Oculus account to use an Oculus, just like you need a Switch account or a Steam account. Hardware with a digital store requires an account. A Facebook account is much more restrictive than say a Steam account. Facebook tries to get you to use your real name for example. Who in the world wants to use their real name playing a video game?

I have a PlayStation, and play dozens of games, yet Sony doesn't know I exist.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by jmull » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

From Meta's point of view this doesn't change anything.

Your activities and interests on your meta accounts will all be part of the same profile meta keeps on grin your Facebook activity, internet browsing, and anything else they can attach or infer a tracking identity from.

Their "privacy" controls are outward facing - e.g., how your meta account is related to your Facebook profile outside meta, not inside.

This really doesn't seem to be getting to the meat of the matter.

Your neighbor and family may not know that "John Smith" on Facebook is "mariofan#1" playing VR games and "naughty69" doing VR porn, but meta sure will.