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‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by bsedlm »

AndyJames wrote: post #48
cehrlich wrote: post #4

Zuckerberg is fundamentally right [1], and I think it's a good observation that many people fail to make. But I think it's companies other than Facebook/Meta that are creating the new value. [1] https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-kno...

I agree with you however truly innovative things that are not making anyone poorer are way rarer than author of this post suggests. Even Steve jobs devices, given here as an example, was taking part of the cake from someone else. First thing that came to my mind is original VCS made in 1972 by Bell Labs. This was an invention that genuinely created profit from place where no one else was making any money.

profit is not the same as wealth

Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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carbadtraingood wrote: post #56

> There is this beauty of economics – you don’t have to make anyone poorer in order for you to become richer. At any appreciable scale I disagree with this, or at least believe this ignores a whole lot of complexity. Like, it totally ignores how profits are allocated within a company, for instance. Jeff Bezos got richer by making his employees poorer, for instance. He could have chosen to make his employees richer at…

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Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by altruios »

usrn wrote: post #41
robocat wrote: post #8

Full text: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’ – P2P.AI On stage with John Battelle and Tim O’Reilly at the 2010 Web2.0 Summit, Mark Zuckerberg stared at the Summit backdrop, that had a map with various consumer technology areas that have been ‘conquered’, charted out. “Your Map is Wrong,” Zuckerberg said. “The biggest part of the map has to be uncharted territory — this map makes it seem like it’s zero-sum, but it’s not. We’re buil…

I really don't like Zuckerberg and expected to disagree with him (especially about maps, everyone gets maps wrong (especially especially on computers) but this isn't a map of the earth.) This sounds right to me. Every time someone says we've figured everything out they're always wrong. There's always more to understand. I don't think Facebook legitimately adds value, I think it's entirely parasitic. But we haven't di…

Aye, this rings true... but the source...

Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by dan-robertson »

xdennis wrote: post #60
dan-robertson wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very strongly agree. If you work in tech in general you should probably be thinking about most decisions with this kind of positive sum mindset where one person’s gain is not another’s loss. For one thing, I think it feels better, but it is also very typically true.

I think you think that because you want to. But it's simply not true. Internet classifieds destroyed newspaper ads. Apple destroyed Nokia. It is a zero sum game to a certain degree. I'm not saying you should feel sorry because you improved things, but sometimes your success is someone else's downfall.

I think what I meant to write is that ‘one’s gain is not balanced out by an equal loss to another person’. And there are plenty of places where a zero-sum mindset might make sense, e.g. if you work for a small non-growing company the only real opportunity for career advancement may be replacing your boss, but most people who can work in tech can find somewhere to work where they can create value rather than just move it from somewhere else.

Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by waynesonfire »

nicoco wrote: post #12

>None of us knew we needed Steve’s devices until they were given to us. I have recently been given a $2500 toy by $EMPLOYER$ and I still don't need it. Personal anecdote aside, is this post seriously advocating for creating needs from scratch?

Meh, I don't buy it either. Why would anyone ask me what features a nuclear power plant should have?

The only frame of reference that I can speak to is I'd like cheap, safe, and clean electricity.

If I were a nuclear engineer I'd have more opinions about what could be done to make it cheaper, safer, and cleaner.

Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by thecassandrist »

bsedlm wrote: post #61
AndyJames wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you however truly innovative things that are not making anyone poorer are way rarer than author of this post suggests. Even Steve jobs devices, given here as an example, was taking part of the cake from someone else. First thing that came to my mind is original VCS made in 1972 by Bell Labs. This was an invention that genuinely created profit from place where no one else was making any money.

profit is not the same as wealth

Inexplicably linked though. If you have a lot of one, the other is inevitable with even a modicum of effort.

Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by eagleal »

PeterisP wrote: post #53
zelphirkalt wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me translate that: "None of us knew that we needed privacy until it was taken away from us by Steve's devices, Facebook, Google and others."

And now this can be a new profitable market to sell some privacy back to you!

Wouldn't that make this market zero-sum?

Re: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’

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Post by criddell »

robocat wrote: post #8

Full text: ‘Your Map Is Wrong’ – P2P.AI On stage with John Battelle and Tim O’Reilly at the 2010 Web2.0 Summit, Mark Zuckerberg stared at the Summit backdrop, that had a map with various consumer technology areas that have been ‘conquered’, charted out. “Your Map is Wrong,” Zuckerberg said. “The biggest part of the map has to be uncharted territory — this map makes it seem like it’s zero-sum, but it’s not. We’re buil…

> We’re building value, not just taking it away from someone else.

Does Facebook still build anything? These days it seems like they mostly buy other companies that are still able to build and innovate.

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