As a NixOS user, I love systemd
I'm interested in NixOS but it only supports systemd.
Seriously, init systems like OpenRC do one thing and do it well. Where have I heard that before?
Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Stallman, and having been at his session done at CERN during 2003, I did actually got to talk with him, doesn't agree with the stage thing.
I meant the hippies that eventually became high ranks in finances/tech (in terms of pay and Buicks per garage ratio).
That may be.
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#63As someone who thinks PulseAudio is conceptually flawed, I don't really get the way old linuxers hate on systemd. I mean ok, from a user perspective certain common things in systemd could have been friendlier, but I always got the things I needed to work and it is clearly a powerful system. While I don't really like the way Poettering handles projects, I think nobody who does open source software deserves that kind o…
The issue not being forced only. It's how valid criticisms are just tossed out of the window and systemd is developed as is because "the lead developer and the team knew way better than the collection wisdom accumulated over the years".
Funny thing is they have bitten by the bugs they claimed they're immune to, so they had to apply these principles like they're first adopters of these.
I've voiced my criticisms over the years, yet I still use systemd. I don't like it, but I don't hate it either.
I want to share them, but, It'll be long, so I'll just leave links to my own comments:
1- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27651567 - A general criticism comment.
2- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25616356 - A general criticism thread.
3- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29672248 - About bugs in systemd.
At the end of the day, if a critical component of an OS is being replaced, people at least want their concerns addressed. Want to have some conversation. Being yelled at literally and proverbially as forcing adoption of said software is bound to create some backlash.
*Edit:* Initial text contained in this reply misunderstood the parent. Corrected, clarified, softened and re-written. Sorry about that.
Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’ve worked very very hard in the past to extinguish and annihilate a lot of the values HN stands for. Either you’re too young or didn’t follow tech back then but MS and Gates truly did evil moves to try and kill any and all competition, especially Linux and open source. Many of us remember.
That was the bad old days. Things got better under Nadella. Just like they got steadily more evil at Google. There are no big corporations you can trust in the long term, but at least MS is behaving reasonably well right now.
> Things got better under Nadella
- Windows is now a dumpster fire - Azure is a mess - surface computers suck + much more
I feel like our definitions of “better” are very different
Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
#65Say what you want about Microsoft, but the thing is they look after their people. See Miguel de Icaza for a previous example.
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#66As someone who thinks PulseAudio is conceptually flawed, I don't really get the way old linuxers hate on systemd. I mean ok, from a user perspective certain common things in systemd could have been friendlier, but I always got the things I needed to work and it is clearly a powerful system. While I don't really like the way Poettering handles projects, I think nobody who does open source software deserves that kind o…
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#67Looks like a tactical 'Embrace'. On top of that, surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software / open source developers as companies like Microsoft are buying out / hiring the majority of them. The free-software activists from the FSF and other free-software supporters have lost to the tech bros at these big tech companies that have hijacked 'open-source' and ran with it. They have failed in their mission…
That all is a lot of nonsense, this is an instance of Microsoft paying an open source developer to maintain open source. Yes, they actually do that sometimes.
> That all is a lot of nonsense
It is the cold, brutal truth that is happening right now in the free software / open source ecosystem. Totally accurate.
> this is an instance of Microsoft paying an open source developer to maintain open source.
You might as well put binary blobs in a GitHub repo and call it 'open-source' or / and have telemetry baked in stealing our usage data since the term 'open-source' not only misses the point, but it is quite frankly meaningless at this point.
But we all knew that the tech-bros have hijacked the point of open-source whilst the free software movement have failed to stop all of it.
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#68As someone who thinks PulseAudio is conceptually flawed, I don't really get the way old linuxers hate on systemd. I mean ok, from a user perspective certain common things in systemd could have been friendlier, but I always got the things I needed to work and it is clearly a powerful system. While I don't really like the way Poettering handles projects, I think nobody who does open source software deserves that kind o…
The issue not being forced only. It's how valid criticisms are just tossed out of the window and systemd is developed as is because "the lead developer and the team knew way better than the collection wisdom accumulated over the years". Funny thing is they have bitten by the bugs they claimed they're immune to, so they had to apply these principles like they're first adopters of these. I've voiced my criticisms over…
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#69Agent Poettering, welcome back. You've done tremendous work for us. *I actually don't care strongly about systemd one way or the other but couldn't resist the joke
I don't know why the hate, both systemd and Pulseaudio are great, at least better than what was before them and improved Linux desktop quite a bit.
Just, no. Pulseaudio legitimately screwed up Audio on Linux for years and is a major source of headaches, even still today, for anyone trying to do audio properly on Linux.
Thank FNORD for Pipewire, meanwhile.
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#70At long last I can finally get the Office suite as a .service!