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Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by jaclaz »

PinguTS wrote: post #20
Markoff wrote: post #12

Wow, I don't follow car news recently, so just now discovered Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat and Opel have same owner now (Stellantis), still can't comprehened how could be such merger approved by regulators. Also was aware that Nissan and Renault cooperate, but didn't know there is also Mitshubishi with them. Btw. Adobe Acrobat logo would like to have a word.

That's when GM had his crisis and sold of all its non-US brands Opel, Vauxhall and so to PSA. It was a big mess. Then just recently FCA and PSA formed Stellantis. PSA and Fiat worked together previously, as their van the Fiat Ducato is basically the same as the vans from PSA group and the same as the Iveco Daily. They closely worked also together in other areas. The small cars by Fiat was also partly joined developme…

Also later, as an example I have a 2006 Opel (Vauxhall) Vectra C 1.9 TD, the engine (and well as the Saab 9-3 one) is a FIAT one, and they share quite a few "common" parts outside the engine with the Fiat Croma.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by Retric »

NickRandom wrote: post #52
belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

Here ya go (I knew I had seen it somewhere so I'm glad I managed to find it again). Here are some links to assorted sources about brands etc. It makes for fascinating reading imo "These 10 Companies Own Almost All of the Brands You Use" https://thehomestead.guru/10-companies-own-brands/ https://gizmodo.com/fascinating-graphic-shows-who-owns-all-t... https://www.dividend.com/how-to-invest/9-companies-that-own-... http…

That first list is interesting because I recognize most of them as terrible products.

My mental model of brands was as a quality stamp, as in people would recognize a product from advertising but if they disliked the product then it wouldn’t help. But, I think there is a second effect in play. If you start with something of high quality that people consume regularly you can very slowly lower the quality without people noticing. Continue long enough and old brands are going to end up as lower quality.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by belval »

pr0zac wrote: post #28
belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

Which brands are you talking about and could you point to something showing the ownership (not doubting you, just wondering). Looking up Patagonia, Columbia, and VF Corp (North Face, Timberland, etc) none of them appear to be Chinese owned, but its quite likely their Wikipedia page is missing info.

I was thinking of Anta Sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anta_Sports) which owns a lot of skiing/mountaineering stuff but I was remembering wrong.

I guess you get good news every day!

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by PinguTS »

gpderetta wrote: post #29
PinguTS wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's when Ford hat its problems in the 2008 crisis and sold off its then so-called Ford Premium Group that consisted of Volvo and Jaguar.

That's after it bought DeLorean for their time machine business I assume. edit: "after it will have brought" I guess

Sorry, wrong key pressed. Thanks. Fixed it.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by photochemsyn »

It'd be interesting to see this expanded into the secondary supply chains, and the primary factories, all of which may or may not be owned by the car corporations themselves.

These networks sprawl out pretty quickly, I imagine. Modern cars rely on microcontrollers and microprocessors, and without chip fabs that comes to a halt. They also require varying amounts of steel, aluminum, carbon fiber, other plastics and metals, and natural rubber.

Then there's the physical locations and the international ownership / leasing / agreement structures. For example, Rust Belt manufacturing of vehicles in the USA for the US market has mostly relocated to Mexico:

https://napsintl.com/mexico-manufacturing-news/mexicos-auto-...

> "According to Forbes, about 80 percent of the cars manufactured in Mexico are exported globally, with about two-thirds of those exports going to the United States. In 2014, the industry comprised about $19 billion in investments. Production for that year was estimated to reach 3.2 million cars, double what it had been five years prior."

A network map of everything that went into a Mexican-made vehicle that was purchased in the USA would be highly complex, and if you then asked for an ownership map of all the shell companies, holding compenies, investors, primary owners etc. involved, the complexity would likely increase by a factor of ten.

Just tracking the global production and ownership of raw lithium and electric car battery manufacturing, for example, would be a fairly massive undertaking.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by pr0zac »

belval wrote: post #63
pr0zac wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which brands are you talking about and could you point to something showing the ownership (not doubting you, just wondering). Looking up Patagonia, Columbia, and VF Corp (North Face, Timberland, etc) none of them appear to be Chinese owned, but its quite likely their Wikipedia page is missing info.

I was thinking of Anta Sports ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anta_Sports ) which owns a lot of skiing/mountaineering stuff but I was remembering wrong. I guess you get good news every day!

I already don't buy Arc'teryx cause their stuff is way over priced but good to have yet another reason not to do so!

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by sharikous »

Ferrari is listed as independent (rightly,) but it is owned in a big part by the Agnelli family (Exor) who own also a big part of Stellantis.

No employee in the Ferrari factory has a non-Stellantis car (Alfa Romeo or Maserati preferably)

So I think it should be clarified that Ferrari and Stellantis (specifically Fiat) are related

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by neogodless »

xnx wrote: post #3

This is great. If I was more motivated, I'd look up some sales data and make a treemap to represent the relative size of these brands.

I've seen something like this in Car & Driver print magazine, circa September 2017 or so.

(Memory could be off on time and which publication..)

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