New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws • Hacker News Board

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:53 AM UTC

Duralias wrote: post #54

amf12 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passing a slow car (driving below the limit) on two lane undivided highway. You could pass them at the speed limit, but its safer to just speed up while passing the car and then reduce your speed when you are back in your lane. I had to do this multiple times passing RVs while on a road trip this weekend.

Ok, but legally you aren't allowed to do that. Also why is it safer? To me a predictable speed would be safer.

>Also why is it safer?

Because you spend less time and less distance in the "wrong" lane.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by CodeBeater » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:54 AM UTC

legostormtroopr wrote: post #55

This is not a bad idea - but speed limits have not changed to reflect changing cars. Speed limits are stuck at 100km in Australia and have been for decades - despite cars introducing anti-lock breaking, predictive breaking, anti-rollover technology, lane assist and so on. Cars are now much much safer, and yet speed limits outside of cities have not changed to reflect this. If the government wants to introduce speed l…

Doesn't Australia have "follow the traffic" rules?

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by post_break » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:54 AM UTC

jtonz wrote: post #17

kurupt213 wrote: post #4

There are valid reasons for exceeding the speed limit

A _vast_ majority of exceeding the speed limit is not done for valid reasons.

Come to Houston. You better be speeding on the highway or you're in danger. When everyone is speeding, and you're doing 60mph, you're a danger to yourself and everyone around you.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by dzink » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:54 AM UTC

The same European countries have one lane roads where horse carriages and slow old oil burning cars and trucks cause long lines of other vehicles that desperately try to pass each other and the culprit of the delay without hitting incoming cars and trucks from the reverse lane next to them, in the dark with little markings. This game of chicken leads to big speeds, and lots and lots of death. Now imagine if you are speed restricted and the car you are trying to pass wants to drive the speed limit after they see they are getting passed. You are target for any incoming vehicle because you have to spend additional time in the dangerous opposing lane. The market for removing those devices will be lucrative.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by walterbell » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:55 AM UTC

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Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by athrun » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:55 AM UTC

noduerme wrote: post #22

I object to driving any car with a built-in GPS or an internet connection, on basic privacy grounds. It amazes me how many advocacy groups and organizations [edit: and bicycle fans right here on HN!] are willing to completely demolish essential rights like privacy and freedom of movement, in the name of preventing speeding accidents.

The counter-argument to this is that driving a 2-ton machine capable of killing people is not a fundamental right either.

I'm not saying that this isn't a privacy overreach and I think there are other things we can do to limit speeds (road design, etc.), but I think there's a reasonable balance to be found here.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by hourago » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:55 AM UTC

bgdkbtv wrote: post #13

The governments will surely miss out on a lot of revenue if cars start preventing people from speeding.

But lives will be saved, that is worth the lost in revenue.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by throwntoday » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:56 AM UTC

noduerme wrote: post #22

I object to driving any car with a built-in GPS or an internet connection, on basic privacy grounds. It amazes me how many advocacy groups and organizations [edit: and bicycle fans right here on HN!] are willing to completely demolish essential rights like privacy and freedom of movement, in the name of preventing speeding accidents.

Good thing you're not carrying one into the car either

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by cromulent » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:56 AM UTC

It won’t stop them from speeding.

“The ISA system is required to work with the driver and not to restrict his/her possibility to act in any moment during driving. The driver is always in control and can easily override the ISA system.”

https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge...

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by bsder » Wed, Jul 06, 2022, 3:57 AM UTC

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #19

kurupt213 wrote: post #4

There are valid reasons for exceeding the speed limit

Name two

I'll name one: being significantly different from the speed of surrounding cars irrespective of speed limits results in more accidents.

Differential speed kills.