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>we have to hold them to realistic standards. Yes, absolutely. That's what needs to start happening with regard to police. You've understood perfectly.
Do you think that police are held to lower or higher standards than medical professionals?
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I think plenty of people say that, actually. There was a very popular discovery channel (or maybe history channel) show that followed around various groups of loggers and just about every episode had someone getting injured or barely escaping injury. Deadliest Catch, similarly, highlighted the risk faced in one of the other most dangerous jobs, offshore fishing.
A single show vs an entire culture lol
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Police are protected more than medical professionals. Also we’re not talking about medical professionals here and mixing them into the conversation is muddying the water.
>Police are protected more than medical professionals. If that was the case, then why isn't there 250x the public outrage when a medical professional makes an error that kills someone, since they kill 250x more than police do each year[0]? And I'm not muddying the waters, so I don't appreciate the accusation of bad faith. I think the professions are comparable in nature, but there's a huge discrepancy in how they're…
You're being accused of muddying the waters for comparing medical professionals fucking up difficult procedures to cops using illegal escalations of violence against unarmed civilians. I happen to agree.
And it's a problem that only exists in the US. Other industrial nations don't have anywhere near the police killings we do per capita. I'm sure the reply will be that those places are more homogeneous, which is very "it deports the minorities or it gets police brutality"
When cops actually face anything resembling a consequence for taking human lives we can talk about what public outrage is "disproportionate"
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>Police are protected more than medical professionals. If that was the case, then why isn't there 250x the public outrage when a medical professional makes an error that kills someone, since they kill 250x more than police do each year[0]? And I'm not muddying the waters, so I don't appreciate the accusation of bad faith. I think the professions are comparable in nature, but there's a huge discrepancy in how they're…
You don't need public outrage. Doctors can be sued and lose their licenses. They don't have qualified immunity. If they get fired by a hospital, it's unlikely they can cross county lines and find another job at any other hospital. None of that is true for cops. You're being accused of muddying the waters for comparing medical professionals fucking up difficult procedures to cops using illegal escalations of violence…
Racist strawmanning
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> Imagine being a police officer risking your life every single day. Now imagine being a logging worker, risking your life every day[1], and not having anyone ever say this about you. [1] https://advisorsmith.com/data/most-dangerous-jobs/
I think plenty of people say that, actually. There was a very popular discovery channel (or maybe history channel) show that followed around various groups of loggers and just about every episode had someone getting injured or barely escaping injury. Deadliest Catch, similarly, highlighted the risk faced in one of the other most dangerous jobs, offshore fishing.
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Police can be strongly enforcing some laws and regulations, while not enforcing others. Typically you see under-enforcement of crimes that have direct victims and real impact on people's lives - property and violent crime (say, a stolen car, or stolen bike that leaves the victim unable to get to work/child care, or the victim injured and unable to work, if only temporarily) that directly impact a person's life...and…
Could this be down to the fact that police need reasons to stop cars in the US? In Australia they set up random stops and alcohol/drug test every driver without needing any suspicion. There is also no chance for racial bias since everyone gets tested. While in the US they have to come up with a billion bullshit reasons to stop someone which mostly impacts poor people in bad cars.
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No, it's completely contradictory. You either want police to police high crime areas or you don't. You either think they should arrest people in those areas committing crimes, or you don't. The police are both biased for enforcing laws, and biased for not, is not a valid position.
Police can be strongly enforcing some laws and regulations, while not enforcing others. Typically you see under-enforcement of crimes that have direct victims and real impact on people's lives - property and violent crime (say, a stolen car, or stolen bike that leaves the victim unable to get to work/child care, or the victim injured and unable to work, if only temporarily) that directly impact a person's life...and…
it's not that surprising. I'm sure malice is part of the explanation, but it's also just easier. the ice cream van either has the permit or they don't. they're not going to run away. in 30 minutes, the officer gets to add another citation to the monthly tally. it's a nearly certain outcome that takes little effort.
the stolen car or bike is already gone by the time the officer shows up to the scene (if they bother to). it takes an indeterminate amount of time to track down the stolen item, and even more to gather enough evidence to actually charge someone. it sucks, but most people who are evaluated on metrics try to avoid spending a lot of time on tasks where they might come out empty-handed. it's a hard organizational problem to incentivize this sort of work.
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Do you think that police are held to lower or higher standards than medical professionals?
How long does a cop go to school for? Do medical professionals have qualified immunity?
0. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/dec/15/contract-ph...
Locked to the public. Sci-hub does not have the document either.
Sci-hub is useless these days. Ingestion is a manual process, and only happens when someone comes to them with a large amount of papers.
Sci-hub uses an automated process. However that process has been halted for a while since the ongoing legal drama in India.